[dodadaxia]

Hello

I hope someone can cross check this for me. A Romanian nun gave me a track supposedly of an angel singing in St. Panteleimon's monastery in Athos. The beginning on the track has a guy probably from a radio show make some announcement and then it moves onto the singing. Now the singing sounds feminine and its not the usual Russian style nor quite Byzantine style, with a monk i think doing the eson in the background.

Has anyone come across this track online yet and has the sources been checked?

Thanks

[pprropeciaaa]

WOW!! I would love to hear more information about this!

[Giselle]

Sorry, I can't help, but having heard their singing first hand; I am not surprised.

[pprropeciaaa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEAgEJqsp0o

A poster underneath writes this: "t''s poor quality recording of a pilgrim in Mount Athos! A wonder, a choir of angels singing in church. Man thinks that the monks are in the church for Divine Liturgy but in the end... church was empty and locked."

[pprropeciaaa]

Sorry, I can't help, but having heard their singing first hand; I am not surprised.

Dear Paul,
Unless it is deeply personal, I would love to hear your story!
Agape,
Alice

[freeringsf]

I have no idea who is singing but if I had to imagine the angelic choirs I would not be surprised if they sounded like this I sthis in a particular language and what does the text mean/say if it is?

[freeringsf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEAgEJqsp0o

A poster underneath writes this: "t''s poor quality recording of a pilgrim in Mount Athos! A wonder, a choir of angels singing in church. Man thinks that the monks are in the church for Divine Liturgy but in the end... church was empty and locked."

Plus, women are not allowed on MT Athos (even female animals - is it truly from Mt Athos) then unless these were castrato I suspect they were not males.

[offinoNem]

I remember seeing this multiple times on the internets before, I am pretty sure it's a hoax.

[pprropeciaaa]

I remember seeing this multiple times on the internets before, I am pretty sure it's a hoax.

Since Paul infers to having heard similar angelic singing, why should we think it is a hoax? How sad that in this day and age, where miracles can be shared by electronic means, we are still skeptical.

[smifatv]

Plus, women are not allowed on MT Athos (even female animals - is it truly from Mt Athos) then unless these were castrato I suspect they were not males.

The main voice in the YouTube recording definitely sounds masculine to me, or at least more masculine than feminine. The notes being sung are not really very high, but judging by the tone they are near the top of the singer's comfortable range. It's interesting how prominent the "E" sound is. I mean, the whole thing seems to be vowel sounds, but the "E" really sticks out.

Since Paul infers to having heard similar angelic singing, why should we think it is a hoax? How sad that in this day and age, where miracles can be shared by electronic means, we are still skeptical.

I don't know, I think it's a good thing for those of us (such as myself) who lack discernment to keep a certain distance from things like this at least until they have been confirmed by some source of authority. Angels are not the only things that can make sounds in empty churches.

[Giselle]

Since Paul infers to having heard similar angelic singing, why should we think it is a hoax? How sad that in this day and age, where miracles can be shared by electronic means, we are still skeptical.

The angelic type singing I heard were definitely MEN. I was only 50 feet from them. I don't know anythign about the youtube thingy above.

[pprropeciaaa]

I don't know, I think it's a good thing for those of us (such as myself) who lack discernment to keep a certain distance from things like this at least until they have been confirmed by some source of authority. Angels are not the only things that can make sounds in empty churches.

Jeremy and Panayioti:

Maybe you are right. Maybe that is why no one can discern what they are chanting. I shared it with someone who is very pious and older than me, and this person said they sounded a bit eerie, and one did not get the feeling of grace one might expect to feel upon hearing angels sing.

You are right that 'angels are not the only things that can make sounds in church'...

Alice

[offinoNem]

I don't know, I think it's a good thing for those of us (such as myself) who lack discernment to keep a certain distance from things like this at least until they have been confirmed by some source of authority. Angels are not the only things that can make sounds in empty churches.

That, and the fact that in this day and age, miracles (among other things) can be faked quite easily by electronic means.

[Oriesssedleli419]

Maybe that is why no one can discern what they are chanting.

Oh, there is no question about what they sing. It is the Cherbubic Hymn in Greek, you can clearly hear the words "τὸν τρισάγιον ὕμνον προσᾴδοντες" ("ton trisagion imnon prosadontes") from 1:54 to 2:41. Actually, the recording lasts only to 2:41 and is then repeated twice.

[Promotiona]

For me, it's way too eerie. I'm going to assume it's a hoax until proven otherwise. It could be a sped-up tape of males singing.

[boleroman]

The Church always leans towards skepticism and discernment, and I think it's much safer that way. For example, when an icon starts weeping in a church, the priest doesn't say: "Quick! Go tell all your friends and let everybody see this miracle so they can glorify God!" Rather they inform the presiding bishop and other clergymen, to discern if the miracle was from God.

It's better to mistakenly think that a miracle is a natural occurrence, than to mistake a natural occurrence or a prank for a miracle. As an example of how embarrassing it can be when we make such mistakes, a certain non-Orthodox church (name omitted) recently canonized a 16th century figure as a saint, and then shortly afterwards historians discovered that the 16th century figure didn't actually exist.

[Daruhuw]

Truthfully, it sounds to me like someone took a recording of a liturgical piece in Greek and fiddled with it in Pro Tools. Honestly, why is there the assumption that angelic voices should be feminine?

[xqkAY7Lg]

Hi it's a quiet old story without putting my hand on the gospel to swear as we say hear, as I was active to many orthodox blogs and forums in Greece with certainty I can tell you from people who asked and checked this story that it is false.I won't say forgery or fraud.What we hear is basically the altered taped recording of a male chanter from Thessaloniki, and the story was circulated here in this fashion "Two visitors, or a visitor and a monk in Mount Athos entered a church in which the heard chanting , one opened nobody was there and they recorded this."

It's a fraud.And old from 2007 or older.

[xqkAY7Lg]

Please this story is a fraud.
Basically a tv presenter named Giorgos Aytias on his show in 2008 posted the same souns file with the story that a monk in Athos heard a chanting in a closed and empty church and recorded it, and that it was the voice of an angel.

The True Story:
It's a 1963 recording of a greek chanter, young then named Δημητριος Σουρλαντζης Dimitrios Sourlantzis.
The file link is https://rapidshare.com/files/3318710...�__Αος_.mp3 from my rapidshare account.

The channel Alter which posted this irresponsibility back then is the same that aired the fabricated story of the supposed appearance of Elder Paisios to 3 monks of an Athonite monastery saying to them to inform the Igoumenos that in 3 months since then a war with Turkey would broke and that they should buy salt and flour.

The monastery issued a statement to the press then that all this was a fraud.You can't expect anything more from them, once this channel was on air ( now it's not due to economic problems) they were mainly showing only scandals and accusations about the Orthodox Church.
The mp3 file I included you is from the thread.If you hear it at about 1:50 -2:00 you'll see that the voice is the same with that in the posted video.Even the video info is updated on youtube mentioning the chanter's name ,but it's in Romanian and probably people rarely now read youtube video posts.
The thread
http://analogion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120



Also people please every time you see a video on youtube read carefully the description, it saves you from trouble.