[KellyLynchIV]

Alas irineu, it occurred in 1984 when the Internet was a mere fledgling child and web sites did not yet exist. Google will give you plenty of indirect references to the fire but since there were no online news sites back then, you probably won't be able to find a reliable source. If you visit York you could probably go through the archives of the local newspaper (9th-10th July 1984).

[nryFBa9i]

Irineu,

I no longer even visit the Episcopal or Anglican Church. The services are so "thin" and incomplete that it is a trial to attend. It is hard to remember how I felt about the services when I *was* Anglo-Catholic!

In Christ,
Elizabeth

[trettegeani]

When we were in the Anglican Church (23+ years ago, now!), the saying was that "you can believe anything you want - just don't leave the club."

Over the decades of my life, I have encountered many Episcopalian / Anglican members and clergy who did not believe the fundamental truths of basic Christianity - Virgin Birth, Transfiguration, manna in the wilderness, parting of the Red Sea, Resurrection, Ascension, etc - you name it, they didn't believe it. But they all were *active members* of their local parish!! Amazing!

We left and searched out Orthodoxy when an Episcopalian pre-marriage counselor wanted us to understand that the relationships in marriage were not hierarchical, with God at the top of the triangle, but circular - everyone (including God) on the same level, and that "God is your Buddy." We don't need a "buddy." We need God at the head (apex) and the created world in subordinate relationship to Him.

But to get back to the original post in this thread, I'm totally *un*surprised at the results of this survey, except that I'm a little astonished that only 73% don't believe in the virgin birth. I would have thought closer to 90% by this time...

In Christ,
Elizabeth

[temansertewek]

hmmm

I'm trying to find the date of this story. In fackt what I have been told from my friends, it was a burning down of the church from a thunder in a clear sky. That's why i have been trying to find it written somewhere, so that when I wil say it elswhere, I dont want to say gossips, but the truth!

Is there any place in the e-net I can find this story?

[temansertewek]

Very interesting, but not to be suprised at all!

What suprises me is the question that how could someone think that orthodox clergy can do the same?!

We know for sure, especially if you live in England, that heretical churches, like that of England, will go even further on their heresies!

What most of the fondamentalist orthodox viewers dont understand, is that many of those orthodox bishops that participate in the ecummenical movements is because of the testimonie of Jesus Christ and not because they want to betray the Truth of the church.

Be awere of fariseism!

[WGfg4CCZ]

{=vid Jenkins is often misquoted on this one, and to be fair to him what he actually said was that he did NOT believe the Resurrection was just a conjuring trick with bones, the opposite of what is normally (mis-)quoted. He was seeking a so-called 'deeper spiritual truth' which invariably seemed to involve actually denying the physical miracle of the resurrection altogether (i.e. he was saying that the Resurrection was NOT EVEN a conjuring trick with bones, but something less substantial).
A minor and probably pedantic point, but there it is.
I wonder if anyone has any ideas about how to fan the spark of orthodoxy which is now and then visible still in the CofE into flame. It is more usual to bemoan its heresies, but perhaps there is a better way?