[StivRichardOff]

So I got into a pretty interesting debate with a liberal who then called in a few of his friends for back up. Heres the text:

Liberal 1- ‎"The American people are about to give Republicans a second chance that we know we don’t deserve, that we haven’t earned. … The American people have every right, and every reason, to blame a Republican president and a Republican Congress for the mess that confronted the Obama administration on January 20, 2009 — let us be honest be about this," -- Congressman Tom McClintock (R-CA).

Me- The blame Bush excuse has gotten old. Why do you think democrats are about to lose the midterms? Let me guess: Americans are stupid right? And someone ask Mr McClintock who had control of congress when the shit hit the fan.
Liberal 1- This was a Republican congressman, not a Democrat.

It is literally impossible to blame Obama's policies for the current economy ... if for no other reason then he's only been President for 2 years! The economic collapse is not Bush's fault ...alone - and there are Democrats to blame too - but to parade around like the stimulus, health care, and financial reform are ALREADY bringing this country down is just bullshit. Most GOP candidates are running on that platform and I'm glad to see some people in the party are willing to be adults about.

I'll let Congressman McClintock do the talking for me on this one

I also agree that "Blame Bush" is not a responsible mantra for Democrats. We're in office and so we have to be responsible. But we can't run away from the fact that Obama inherited an economy in free fall, and while it's bleeding has been... staunched, there's still a lot to do.

Republicans have offered no major policy initiatives and instead run around screaming "THE DEFICIT!" like chicken little without giving specifics on how to fix the problem.

It's appealing to the lowest instinct of the American voter: fear.

Me- Its not fear ****, its anger. A LOT of anger. Maybe if you would actually listen to the people instead of just calling them tea baggers you might learn something.

Liberal 1- I do listen, buddy. I've got some of those angry voters in my own family and circle of friends. I've listened to you!

Anger is not a very useful democratic emotion unless it's tempered with rationale solutions. I haven't seen that coming ...from the GOP, but they know they have the anger on their side because the White House is occupied by a Democrat. It's that simple.

Me- To a certain extent yes. And this anger wasnt something that just developed over night. This is a boiling point thats been reached after DECADES of terrible policies and government overreaching. Americans are FINALLY fed up with congress...men and senators acting as if theyre above the consititution, giving themselves the authority to pass whatever they want. People really are angry about the amount of spending the current administration is doing, and yes theyre afraid of the consequences. Our anger has merit and the administration and liberals in congress and in the media, and even you have done nothing but snicker and laugh at how stupid those people are.
And I cant speak for others but I can speak for myself when I say that I will keep my representatives on a VERY short leash after election day. Regardless of political party, if they dont strictly adhere to the guidelines established in the constitution, theyre fired.

Liberal 1- I agree whole heartedly on being "fed up with congressmen and senators acting as if theyre above the consititution, giving themselves the authority to pass whatever they want." Undoubtedly we disagree on the scope of what the federal gover...nment has the power to do, but I think we can both agree that neither party have been angelic stewards of the federal budget.

The anger of the masses do have merit and I don't think that the administration or I "snicker and laugh" and how stupid people are. I'm more disturbed and startled by how many of these people don't have a grasp on what is actually happening.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the Republican Party have played their A Game when it comes to using this anger to their advantage. In the process they have brought the federal government to a halt at a time when it should be working on OVERDRIVE in order to get the economy moving again. Then they turn around and throw out buzz words like "tax and spend" or "deficit cuts" without any specifics in the hope that it will make President Obama go away.

Right now I find national Democrats to be somewhat spineless, but I find national Republicans to be straight up childish and undeserving of access to the levers of power.

What a system we've got! No wonder I'm not enthused about this election.

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Liberal 2- Here here, liberal 1.

Liberal 2-Shut up ***

Me- There should be no disagreement as to the scope of the federal governments power. Its all in black and white, article 1 section 8, and the 10th amendment explain everything the government is authorized to do. Beyond that congressman, senators, and the president have zero authority.

Liberal 2- ***** - You are omitting the 3rd branch of government. The courts have interpreted the law and the Constitution as they are afforded and intended to do by the Constitution. It's a complex world, and rarely are black and white solutions suitable. That's why the Constitution's design as a living document was such a brilliant creation

Me- And thus, the left right divide reveals itself. The constitution was never designed as a living breathing document. The constitution is the supreme law of the land, not open to the interpretation of the courts. The judiciary is just as much a servant of the constitution as the legislative.

Liberal 3- It's easy for a white male to say the Constitution isn't a living document.

Me- Liberal 3 thats racist.

Liberal 2- If it was not designed as such, why is there an amendment process? Do you think we should be living under the Constitution as written in the 18th century?

I agree that the judiciary is a servant of the Constitution and that the Constitution ...is the Supreme Law of the Land as clearly outlined, superseding all federal and state law. When there is a conflict between said laws and the Constitution, the Supreme Court must make the call. Would that not inherently mean that they must interpret how the Constitution applies to the situation?

Me- The amendment process is the ONLY method in which things can be changed. Beyond that, the constitution is to be STRICTLY adhered to. The reason the government doesnt like the amendment process is because its slow and difficult as it was intended to be. So they side step the process with sweeping bills that encompass a broad spectrum like healthcare or cap and trade. Short of a constitutional amendment, those bills should have been snagged by the 10th amendment.

Liberal 1- I cannot imagine fighting and dying for a country who's constitution was so rigid that it did not allow for the ebb and flow of time to perfect itself.

The constitution is not the 10 Commandments, written in stone, forever to stay as they we...re when the ink dried. Why? It was written by man. Men who understood that time changes thought, culture, and inevitably law. The sheer fact that the judiciary exists as a third branch of government tells you that our founders were keenly aware of this necessity.

Additionally, much of the constitution was written in purposely vague language. The right to privacy. The right to free speech. It sounds final and brilliant, but you and I both know that those statements are subject to any number of circumstances. Only through judicial review can we truly flesh out those subjects.

I am thankful that I live in a country where we have a court system that has enough of a backbone to stand up to Jim Crow and Proposition 8. Of course, today's liberal is tomorrow's conservative and I'm certain we'll see this debate continue for decades to come.

Me- As I said before. The amendment process is the ONLY process the constitution can be changed. Beyond that, it IS rigid and IS the ten commandments of the United States. If you believe that the constitution is wrong, write your congressman... and suggest a new amendment. That is the correct process, not ramming sweeping legislation down the throats of the American people. That is a blatant misuse of governments limited authority. If you believe that gays should marry, suggest a constitutional amendment. If not, then leave it up to the individual states to decide for themselves. Its just that simple.

[NicolasOL]

Liberal 1- ‎"The American people are about to give Republicans a second chance that we know we don’t deserve, that we haven’t earned. …

We do?

I submit that the Democrats provided that chance themselves.

Who's to blame for that if not the democrats?

How is it Bush's fault? Or anyone's fault?

If the democrats were doing a good job and America wanted more of the same.. Why aren't they running on their record? Why is a tidal wave threatening to sweep them away?

This is just mushy-head, liberal nonsense.

[Clielldub]

I gave up trying to reason with the brainwashed...

You're going to have to reason with your self and realize these are useless people...

[spaxiaroorbes]

You had better not misquoted them even a comma, or they will sue you into oblivion!

[Daleman1984]

You had better not misquoted them even a comma, or they will sue you into oblivion!

I quoted word for word, I just removed the names. It was nice talking to a liberal that could actually speak intelligently rather then bush=hitler, obama be praised, and their favorite: your a racist.

[TeftyJokip]

You won. they had to call in the race card. fucking candy ass cock suckers.

obama has not done shit for this economy.

Which all have to accept both fuckign parties are owned by the rich.

Our system of government is a total joke.


You know why it is easy for a white male to say it is a living doc??? Because we can read you fuckign mud sucking 3rd world scum.

I am a Nazi.

[jamisi]

Quit blaming the nigger for everything. Bush and his jewish overlords did have some not small part in the coming collapse.

Obongo has been a terrible president, it is true, however, when he was inaugurated, the house of cards was already collapsing. The bank bailouts, etc were all being arranged when Bush was in charge. The bubble was bursting. The market was collapsing. We were already in the depression. Now Obongo has made things worse by several factors of 10, it is true, but I am certain that Jesus Christ, if he were elected president, and had to play by Washington's rules, could not have cleaned up the mess that he would have inherited from Bush. The feces had already hit the ventilator. It's just do we want a slow fall into the financial abyss or a fast one. We are getting the fast one. That might be best.

And both Obango and Bush are the instruments of the hebrews. They do what their masters tell them. The constitution is dead and democracy is a sham. We are living not in the United States, we are living in Northcom, created in 2002 and the fema concentration camps were built at the latest under Bush. He was the one who got congress to pass a law allowing him to rule by decree. It was Bush who asked for the Patriot Act, and congress gave it to him. They gave him the power to declare anybody he wanted, US citizen or not, an enemy combatant. Bush sent US citizens to Guantanamo. Obama has not yet done that, as far as we know. Obama just inherited the powers that congress gave to Bush. Let us never forget that. When they come for you, you might think that you will take your guns and head for the hills and live off the land, but if they can't get you, they will come for your daddy or your sister's family.

If it wasn't them, judea would have found someone else to do their bidding. They always do. They have almost reached their goal. The enslavement of the world.

If I were still a christian, I would say that Bush was the prophesied beast, the anti-John the Baptist, and Obama was the anti-Christ.

SIEG HEIL

[GinaIsWild]

My wife got in an argument with some woman at work. She laughed at my reaction to what this woman said. As my tone and what I said apparently fit perfectly.

It had to do with her buying an item to get change, because they weren't allowed to just break change for her. And so she bought gum, but then she had to pay a sales tax. She didn't realize that gum is not considered a food, therefore it's taxed. Then she yells "GOD-DAMN OBAMA!!!" As if the gum not being food is his fault, and that it's "rampant taxation all around".

Then she went onto say that she wishes George Bush was still in office. Thats when I interejected with my sarcasm voice and said "lets not get crazy now..." lol! Obama is far from perfect, but lets not go wishing back things like Bush! XP

[hasasnn2345tv]

most who post here dont realize the power this nation could project. we control every sea lane and our grain feeds the world.

[MilenaMKB]

You had better not misquoted them even a comma, or they will sue you into oblivion!

What kind of muddled, ignorant sentence structure do you call that, Monkeyboy?

[Attarderb]

[QUOTE=Magog;27501]You won. they had to call in the race card. fucking candy ass cock suckers.

obama has not done shit for this economy.

Which all have to accept both fuckign parties are owned by the rich.

That's the way life is, Whiner, we of the upper class are the superior people, and deserve to rule you peasants, so STFU.

Our system of government is a total joke.

It beats the shit out of collectivism any day; I love it.


You know why it is easy for a white male to say it is a living doc??? Because we can read you fuckign mud sucking 3rd world scum.

I am white and I don't say it's a living document.

I am a Nazi.

That would be nice if you actually knew what a Nazi stands for.

[Neitteloxesia]

My wife got in an argument with some woman at work. She laughed at my reaction to what this woman said. As my tone and what I said apparently fit perfectly.

It had to do with her buying an item to get change, because they weren't allowed to just break change for her. And so she bought gum, but then she had to pay a sales tax. She didn't realize that gum is not considered a food, therefore it's taxed. Then she yells "GOD-DAMN OBAMA!!!" As if the gum not being food is his fault, and that it's "rampant taxation all around".

Then she went onto say that she wishes George Bush was still in office. Thats when I interejected with my sarcasm voice and said "lets not get crazy now..." lol! Obama is far from perfect, but lets not go wishing back things like Bush! XP

Your sarcasm voice? How does that sound? Give us a sample in here. You're sick.