[ljq0AYOV]

The USA playing Nannygate between South and North Korea has run it's course after a half century.

I see a vibrant yet aloof S Korean community here in Conshohocken and wonder why they are even here.

The gig is up and China, S & N Korea, and the US need to wrap this up.

If S Korea wanted to feel so special perhaps they shouldn't have ended up in the south of a peninsula. My experience
with S Koreans is they only care about S Koreans, on our dime.

[catarleriarly]

C'mon Colin look at the map. The days of N Koreas' isolation has to end someday, it's been a half century.

N. Korea is isolated because they like it. It's a matter of ideology and not geography. If they marched into S. Korea and took over the whole country and Korea was one country undivided they would still be isolated. It would just be twice as large and just as isolated. For the N. Korean's the isolation will end only when the US, China, Russia, UK, France, etc. accept the eternal leader Kim Il-sung as ruler Heaven & Earth. And that all good and eminates from him and him alone. And that once Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea becomes the supreme power on Earth (and Heaven) that Dim Sum will be known as Kim Il-sum.

[ljq0AYOV]

I fear you are probably right but hope you're wrong. I may bust on the South but actually am pretty neutral.

On the other side of the globe the settlers are going nuts more than ever. Other than those two and maybe
15 others everything is great

[scemHeish]

I don't really see why you say South Korea is doing it on someone else's dime. The South Korean military is more than powerful enough to defeat the North on their own, they'd just sustain much higher casualties, and there's still the threat that China would get involved. Quite frankly ROK doesn't need the US to aid them in defeating the DPRK if it were just between those two sides. The only reason the USA is involved is because they have their own vested interests in being there. Mostly strategic and economic interests. Sure, there are promises of protection to consider, but honestly I don't think they have much to do with the US involvement there.

The only people you can blame for US money/resources spent in ROK is the US. But honestly, it's not money poorly spent.

[ljq0AYOV]

I don't feel you read this Voice of America story relating that the S Korean military chief was nowhere to be found
when their ship was torpedoed, and alleges he was involved in a drunken all-nighter:
VOA | Audit Critical of S. Korean Military's Reaction to Warship Sinking | News | English

I checked the history of the Korean War and the Chinese didn't just jump right in. They warned the UN forces several
times not to push the offensive to the Yalu River. So what did MacArthur do but just that, and had he not Korea
had a good chance to remain one country as N Korean forces had been routed thanks to our landing at Inchon.

Just saying the South would be hardpressed to go it alone. We should be talking reunification really because all the
military involved ain't cheap either.

[Hamucevasiop]

If N. Korea strikes again, the US will definitely be involved. China doesn't want to see us fail because we owe them too much money.

[scemHeish]

I don't feel you read this Voice of America story relating that the S Korean military chief was nowhere to be found
when their ship was torpedoed, and alleges he was involved in a drunken all-nighter:
VOA | Audit Critical of S. Korean Military's Reaction to Warship Sinking | News | English

I checked the history of the Korean War and the Chinese didn't just jump right in. They warned the UN forces several
times not to push the offensive to the Yalu River. So what did MacArthur do but just that, and had he not Korea
had a good chance to remain one country as N Korean forces had been routed thanks to our landing at Inchon.

Just saying the South would be hardpressed to go it alone. We should be talking reunification really because all the
military involved ain't cheap either.

Reunification is the way to go, there's no question about it. The problem is that Kim Jong-il and company aren't really going to accept true reunification ever, because it will require them to cede all power, and would probably be followed up with prosecution for crimes against humanity. Then we'd just have to deal with the economic fall out, rather than paying for a military campaign as well. I just sort of think that a peaceable negotiation with the fanatical regime is a pipe dream.

[fissasste]

Dynasties fall.

Methinks we'll just have to wait for this one to, too.

[scemHeish]

This is somewhat unrelated to the rest of the thread but....

It seems Comcast has expanded its channels here in the Philadelphia are. On channel 667 there is a station called TVK which has all South Korean programming. It's interesting for those of us who are interested in seeing/learning more of South Korea.

[ljq0AYOV]

There's a Korea news station on antenna tv in english I watch sometimes also. I'll post about it next time I see it,
I think it's on 35.
I agree that we'll just have to wait out the NKorea problem. They may agree to unify, only if they are in charge though.

[catarleriarly]

...I just sort of think that a peaceable negotiation with the fanatical regime is a pipe dream.

And then the Berlin Wall came down, Nelson Mandela walked out of prison, one man stopped a line of tanks... Negotiation isn't necesarrily the only way. The end of East Germany started with a minister in a church in Leipzig.

[scemHeish]

And then the Berlin Wall came down, Nelson Mandela walked out of prison, one man stopped a line of tanks... Negotiation isn't necesarrily the only way. The end of East Germany started with a minister in a church in Leipzig.

The wall didn't come down in Stalin's lifetime. And not is Kruschevs. Or Breznevs. Dear lord I have no idea how to spell those names. The man in Tienanmen Square didn't bring around any lasting change, in fact most chinese citizens are ignorant of what happened there. And Nelson Mandela was freed because a western power listened to western pressure to end apartheid as much as anything else. We still haven't made peace with Castro, and Cuba is on our doorstep, and infinitely less fanatical than NK.

The only time it will stand a chance is during the regime change in NK.

[catarleriarly]

The wall didn't come down in Stalin's lifetime. And not is Kruschevs. Or Breznevs. Dear lord I have no idea how to spell those names. The man in Tienanmen Square didn't bring around any lasting change, in fact most chinese citizens are ignorant of what happened there. And Nelson Mandela was freed because a western power listened to western pressure to end apartheid as much as anything else. We still haven't made peace with Castro, and Cuba is on our doorstep, and infinitely less fanatical than NK.

The only time it will stand a chance is during the regime change in NK.

What I'm saying is things change in strange ways that people can't plan on. Regime change in NK could happen more quickly than we imagine regardless of it's intransigence.

Regarding Stalin, he compromised on Finland, Austria, Iran so it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.