[DuePew]

It's kinda hard to fake polar ice caps melting:



The photo is the change in the polar ice cap in the last four years.



Is this a conpiracy?



"Bite me Sen. Imhofe"

[BEyng6hj]

Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together would realize that what I'm asking for is an analysis of WHAT was changed and how so. What data points and numbers were changed? Silver just claims the presentation was being sexed up, without mentioning WHAT was altered and in exactly what manner. Was any underlying data changed? And, even if no, even sexing up a graph is a big-f--king-deal, since that's the kind of junk the media and bureaucrats love to look at anyway.

I suspect he is hoping the rest of us will stop asking questions and 'just take his word for it.' He's gonna need a lot more than eight short paragraphs to explain why if he wants that to happen.

Here's the actual email that is, apparently, proof of the "warmist conspiracy;"

Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later
today or first thing tomorrow. I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature
trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20
years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from1961 for Keith’s to
hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine
values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N.
The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for
1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

[Muesrasrs]

"Bite me Sen. Imhofe"

Not to get into the whole argument but polar bears are actually exceptional swimmers.

[Dndjzirw]

Not to get into the whole argument but polar bears are actually exceptional swimmers.

They're gonna have to be.

[Muesrasrs]

They're gonna have to be.

Thank the sun.

[Dndjzirw]

Thank the sun.

Right, because that's the recently introduced factor that has altered global termperatures over the last 100 years.

[Muesrasrs]

Right, because that's the recently introduced factor that has altered global termperatures over the last 100 years.

Temps never went up in the past right?

[Dndjzirw]

Temps never went up in the past right?

Of course they did. Due to things such as massive volcanic activity and other earthbound causes. You implied the sun, and only the sun was the reason it's happening now. It's happening now as a result of reversible man made causes.

[Muesrasrs]

Of course they did. Due to things such as massive volcanic activity and other earthbound causes. You implied the sun, and only the sun was the reason it's happening now. It's happening now as a result of reversible man made causes.

I didnt mean it was the only reason. Of course there are other variables. Have volcanoes gone dormant? Weird.

[DuePew]

Temps never went up in the past right?

Of course they did, but this does not debunk global climate change.

Only the real wingnuts dispute that global temperatures are rising-they clearly are-and rising with great impact upon coastlines and eco-systems. More reasoned people argue that it is rising but it is not human-caused.

But I tend to trust national climatologists who resoundingly suggest that there is a 90% probability the rise is human caused. I trust the climatologists at our excellent universities and the universities of the world more than I trust Senator Imhofe and Michelle Malkin.

Even if the rise is not human-caused-because of the potential estimates of damages in the billions, isn't it worth acting on?

[Dndjzirw]

I didnt mean it was the only reason. Of course there are other variables. Have volcanoes gone dormant? Weird.

Massive eruptions that dramatically affect global temperatures? Every 20,000 years or so. On a routine basis, volcanoes are pikers.

"volcanic eruptions produce about 110 million tons of CO2 each year, whereas human activities contribute almost 10,000 times that quantity. "

How do volcanoes affect world climate?: Scientific American

[flopay]

Of course they did, but this does not debunk global climate change.

Only the real wingnuts dispute that global temperatures are rising-they clearly are-and rising with great impact upon coastlines and eco-systems. More reasoned people argue that it is rising but it is not human-caused.

But I tend to trust national climatologists who resoundingly suggest that there is a 90% probability the rise is human caused. I trust the climatologists at our excellent universities and the universities of the world more than I trust Senator Imhofe and Michelle Malkin.

Even if the rise is not human-caused-because of the potential estimates of damages in the billions, isn't it worth acting on?

1) the earth has been changing for 5 billion years
2) Al Gore can't stop it
3) human activity has nothing to do with fluctuating temps(see1)global warming is a Hoax
4) GE stands to make Billions off of the Hoax.(Imlet+Obama)
5) Obama will try and use the Hoax to raise tax
6) IF global warming was a fact, ALL scientist would agree
7) I lived thru One HOAX already, no two, The ICE AGE of the 70's and Y2K BS.
What I don't understand is how gullible you people are, you worry about the global warming Hoax because of the future for your kids, but you sit there and watch a out of control gubmint bunkrupt them. This is really going on right now and the hoax will never happen.....Sad times in America.

[AdvertisingPo]

All I can say is, if it is a conspiracy, it is without a doubt the most impressive conspiracy in the history of man kind.

FYI - Climatologists don't all agree on the foretasted temperature increases. They are all over the place, from not so bad to we are all going to die. I am pulling for not so bad.

[M_Marked]

after watching "how the earth was formed" last night, I'm just glad the earth isn't cooling. a few degrees cooler and philadelphia would be under 1000 feet of ice. apparently ice ages happened on and of for millions of years. of course, they also believe warmer temperatures was allowed dinosaurs to become gigantic. maybe global warming wil make us giants, then kill us when the earth cools and there's no enough food.

[AdvertisingPo]

after watching "how the earth was formed" last night, I'm just glad the earth isn't cooling. a few degrees cooler and philadelphia would be under 1000 feet of ice. apparently ice ages happened on and of for millions of years. of course, they also believe warmer temperatures was allowed dinosaurs to become gigantic. maybe global warming wil make us giants, then kill us when the earth cools and there's no enough food.

Funny you should say that. One of the disaster scenarios is that the Greenland ice mass melts and shuts down the Gulfstream plunging the North East of the US and Western Europe into an a period of cooling. Luckily it isn't melting that fast, oh wait, it is. Yipee!

[kasandrasikl]

I do love snow!

[Automobill]

...and in the center ring we have veg'ns, continuing to shake their heads at the hypocrisy of Al Gore and friends for refusing to push for a reduction or elimination of animal agriculture, the leading source of methane production - the most potent of the "greenhouse gases."

I'm for clean air, animal flesh/secretion free living, and walking vs "carbon offsets"

[Haibundadam]

There's a real simple way climate scientists can quell all this conspiracy uproar: Start being more open. Stop trying to keep data secret and get around FOI laws. Let more people analyze the data. And stop trying to block scientists who present dissenting views. The more hands the data reaches, and the more the argument is allowed to continue objectively, the more the truth will win out.

[Precturge]

...and, in addition, stop working so hard to suppress critics and those with contrary evidence. That is, probably more than anything else, fueling doubt about climate change and its causes.

[dserbokim]

There's a real simple way climate scientists can quell all this conspiracy uproar: Start being more open. Stop trying to keep data secret and get around FOI laws. Let more people analyze the data. And stop trying to block scientists who present dissenting views. The more hands the data reaches, and the more the argument is allowed to continue objectively, the more the truth will win out.

Know what else would help? If the oil industry would stop spending millions to fund "scientists" to come up with BS explanations for why global climate change isn't happening. I've yet to see/hear a dissenting voice who wasn't getting their funding from industry sources.