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Old 12-02-2007, 08:51 PM   #21
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Maybe the UN should do just what they do to Isreal who in violation of more UN Resolutions than Iran BY FAR. If we should mass-murder Iranians because of UN Resolutions, then surely who'd agree that the UN should be mass-murdering Isrealis.

About that "smoking gun" .. would that be like the "smoking gun" of Saddam's WMD? .. Of course it is and I'd be willing to bet that you were gung-ho about that "smoking gun" .. with no bullets, as well.
We arnt talking about Israel, but yes, I think the UN should enforce its reoslutions on Israel as well. Although, were I Israel, Id get out of the UN. Same thing with the US.

As for the smoking gun, Im refering to the weapons parts they showed on TV, which theyve traced back to Iran manufacturing. We did not have anythign like that on Sadaam.
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:53 PM   #22
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As they say... money doesn't buy you everything
Yeah, the chickenhawks at the Pentagon are caught in a double windmill. By now, they should have an allied Iraq with strong american military bases inside it. They thought they would have Mahmoud by his balls by now. But instead, the chickenhawks have their pants down in Iraq and problems accepting they didn't draw the longest one. They can't buy peace in Iraq, and even the dumbest m*therfucker at the Pentagon should have noticed that they never ever would be able to buy peace in Iran, as well. I can only say "Thank you, Mr. Bush." You paralyzed our military alliance and Iran can virtually do what it wants.
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:56 PM   #23
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Yeah, the chickenhawks at the Pentagon are caught in a double windmill. By now, they should have an allied Iraq with strong american military bases inside it. They thought they would have Mahmoud by his balls by now. But instead, the chickenhawks have their pants down in Iraq and problems accepting they didn't draw the longest one. They can't buy peace in Iraq, and even the dumbest m*therfucker at the Pentagon should have noticed that they never ever would be able to buy peace in Iran, as well. I can only say "Thank you, Mr. Bush." You paralyzed our military alliance and Iran can virtually do what it wants.
Ditto. This is what happenes when you plan a corporate takeover and our business partners are tryng to take over us instead.
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Old 12-02-2007, 08:57 PM   #24
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Of course Iran is going to deny the accusations....they know our govenment wasn't forth coming on info on Saddam and WMD's......Iran has a vested interest in destabalizing Iraq......it is in there best interest....
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:01 PM   #25
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We arnt talking about Israel, but yes, I think the UN should enforce its reoslutions on Israel as well. Although, were I Israel, Id get out of the UN. Same thing with the US.

As for the smoking gun, Im refering to the weapons parts they showed on TV, which theyve traced back to Iran manufacturing. We did not have anythign like that on Sadaam.
You mean this evidence?



Since when do the Iranians write in English and aren't their dates different than what the US uses?

Don't the Iranians get their mortars from Russia and aren't the Russian mortars 82mm not 81mm?

How many of them did they "find" and how did the "terrorists" acquire them .. especially given that the so-called "terrorists/insurgents/freedom fighters have been found with weapons from the US and the UK?

Are you suggesting that we should attack Iran and send more US soldiers to their deaths, waste more of the US Treasury, and further erode the miniscule US credibility left over this kind of "evidence"?
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:01 PM   #26
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Weve been dealing with Iran diplomatically for 30 years now. Where has it gotten us? As you said, the US has no wish to go to war. Its simply inevitable as no one else will do anything about it. Somehow the US gets crticism for the rest of the worlds aggression and failure. I suppose thats the price we pay for being the leader of the world.
Exactly. We europeans take our freedom to bitch, but when it comes hard to hard, you rule. But that mechanism is desintegrating rapidly since 2003. I think you are right if you say that what we are facing in Iran is a result of decades of bad, lazy diplomacy. That's why I consider Iran having nukes as a defeat for the entire west. But it's inevitable by now, and the last stupid move in this game was made in D.C, not in Bruxelles or at NATO headquarters.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:03 PM   #27
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Anyone who would choose to believe Iran's leader over their own, and I mean ANYONE in ANY country would be the biggest fucking moron on the planet.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:07 PM   #28
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Anyone who would choose to believe Iran's leader over their own, and I mean ANYONE in ANY country would be the biggest fucking moron on the planet.
Because we can trust Bush and Cheney and Condi to tell us the truth about which countries are a threat to us right?



Sorry man, once a liar, always a liar. The Bush admin deserves no trust from anyone. They told many lies. Now no one will believe them.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:10 PM   #29
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Because we can trust Bush and Cheney and Condi to tell us the truth about which countries are a threat to us right?



Sorry man, once a liar, always a liar. The Bush admin deserves no trust from anyone. They told many lies. Now no one will believe them.
Do you believe that Iran and Syria and North Korea are a threat? Do you think they pose a problem to the United States?
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:10 PM   #30
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Because we can trust Bush and Cheney and Condi to tell us the truth about which countries are a threat to us right?



Sorry man, once a liar, always a liar. The Bush admin deserves no trust from anyone. They told many lies. Now no one will believe them.
According to you.

However, apparently both houses of Congress believe him, as they continue to fund the war and allow troops to continue to be deployed.

They believe him, apparently.

Only you, and methodical Haters like you would believe a racist, genocidal Madman such as the leader of Iran over your President.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:13 PM   #31
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Gen. Pace Refuses To Back Claims On Iran
NewsHog: Gen. Pace Refuses To Back Claims On Iran

The top American military officer, General Peter Pace, declined Monday to endorse the conclusions of U.S. military officers in Baghdad, who told reporters on Sunday that the Iranian government is providing high-powered roadside bombs to insurgents in Iraq. General Pace made his comments during a visit to Australia, and VOA's Al Pessin reports from Canberra.

General Pace said he was not aware of the Baghdad briefing, and that he could not, from his own knowledge, repeat the assertion made there that the elite Quds brigade of Iran's Republican Guard force is providing bomb-making kits to Iraqi Shiite insurgents.

"We know that the explosively formed projectiles are manufactured in Iran. What I would not say is that the Iranian government, per se (specifically), knows about this," he said. "It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit."
That the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs seems to not only have been "unaware" of the briefing yesterday and its contents but also feels himself unable to back its conclusions is, frankly, mind-boggling.

The US stance on the military capabilities of Iraqis today is the exact opposite of its position in four years ago. Then President Bush and Tony Blair claimed that Iraqis were technically advanced enough to produce long-range missiles and to be close to producing a nuclear device. Washington is now saying that Iraqis are too backward to produce an effective roadside bomb and must seek Iranian help.

Here in the US, Democrat leaders seem to have been distinctly underwhelmed by the reports of the briefing. "I look at this with a degree of skepticism, based on the record that these intelligence operations have provided us in the past," said Christopher Dodd, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:15 PM   #32
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According to you.

However, apparently both houses of Congress believe him, as they continue to fund the war and allow troops to continue to be deployed.

They believe him, apparently.

Only you, and methodical Haters like you would believe a racist, genocidal Madman such as the leader of Iran over your President.
What race of people did the Iranian President condemn?

And NO, neither the US Congress NOR the American people believe that moron .. and with all the evidence available .. only a moron would believe him.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:17 PM   #33
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....wouldn't u assume that it is a duck....
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:38 PM   #34
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....wouldn't u assume that it is a duck....
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.Then Its a Duck! Sam Donalson used those words.
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:46 PM   #35
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What race of people did the Iranian President condemn?
I don't know about condemnation but when Irans Prez makes public statements like the holocaust being a lie what do you expect people to think?

And NO, neither the US Congress NOR the American people believe that moron .. and with all the evidence available .. only a moron would believe him. Which is why they re-elected that "moron" by an overwhelming majority.

Why don't you keep the rhetoric to yourself it's obvious you're a America hating Bush hater.

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Old 12-02-2007, 09:51 PM   #36
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And NO, neither the US Congress NOR the American people believe that moron .. and with all the evidence available .. only a moron would believe him.
Hrmmm. They didn't believe him?

Yet they voted to give him authority to invade Iraq, and have subsequently voted to keep us there (last year, by what...99%?) and continue to vote to fund the war.

Yet you say the Congresses don't believe him.

He was re-elected into office.

Yet the American people didn't believe him.

Okie dokie.
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:13 PM   #37
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Anyone who would choose to believe Iran's leader over their own, and I mean ANYONE in ANY country would be the biggest fucking moron on the planet.

Exactly !
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:42 PM   #38
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I don't see why anyone should be enthusiastic either way, mostly because any conflict with Iran would make Iraq look like a cakewalk. Oh, we could bomb them, but I don't know how well a full blown invasion would go. The American people are sick of the war we already have, and I personally don't have the greatest faith in the brass for not screwing up another war too. Me, I don't see what we would gain from attacking Iran, Iraq has screwed things up beyond hope. Bleh, well, what happens happens...
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:26 AM   #39
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I don't know about condemnation but when Irans Prez makes public statements like the holocaust being a lie what do you expect people to think?



Which is why they re-elected that "moron" by an overwhelming majority.

Why don't you keep the rhetoric to yourself it's obvious you're a America hating Bush hater.

Varus
Off on that space voyage during the 2006 elections I assume.

Blind, and they haven't delivered your braile newspaper, perhaps?

Didn't pay the electric bill and your power is cut off so you can't hear the radio, maybe?

All of the above must be true given that you don't appear to know

.. how the 2006 elections came out or why the results were as they are

.. that even the majority of republicans are against this war .. NOW

.. that support for this war by Americans is heading towards single digits

.. there is virtually no support for this war by other nations

.. that nations that were there got out or are in the process of getting out

Additionally, my question was what race did he offend and you respond by talking about the Holocaust .. but there is no race called Jews, That is a religion, not a race .. ask Sammy Davis Jr.

I know, I know .. "racism" sounds so much worse than "religiousism" which the president of Iran may or may not be guilty of.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:53 AM   #40
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Hrmmm. They didn't believe him?

Yet they voted to give him authority to invade Iraq, and have subsequently voted to keep us there (last year, by what...99%?) and continue to vote to fund the war.

Yet you say the Congresses don't believe him.

He was re-elected into office.

Yet the American people didn't believe him.

Okie dokie.
WOW

First, support for this war has never been 99% at anytime even right after 9/11.

Poll taken June 2002

Worldviews 2002 Survey of American and European Attitudes and Public Opinion on Foreign Policy

Thus, even in 2002, only 20% thought we should be in Iraq by ourselves, which is exactly where Bush has taken us.

Here is where we are as of yesterday ..
63% want all troops home by end of '08
63% want all troops home by end of '08 - USATODAY.com

The crap you were spouting is what you can get away with on right-wing talk radio, where you can say just about any ol' damn thing and not be encumbered by truth, logic, or common sense .. but you're in mixed company here.

Bush's approval rating has been in the low 30's for a long time now .. but don't let reality get in the way of a good pep talk and some wishful thinking.

I do understand
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