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Old 11-02-2007, 05:00 PM   #21
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No that's Bush's plan. Where does Edwards plan say that?
TAX CREDITS
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:02 PM   #22
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Are tax credits = to raising taxes?
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:33 PM   #23
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Disputing Edward's asinine plan makes one a member of "the Bush Crowd"?
If you didn't vote for Bush, I apologize. If you did, why not take some responsibility?

I'm a member of the "Clinton Crowd". You can blame me for an embarassing sex scandal and the most productive period in American history. Remember the "surplus"? You don't hear much about that anymore. (Cue excuses for bad results.)
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:44 PM   #24
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This is the new Jesus worshipping mindset
WTF did his statement have to do with jesus???
You should look at your own twisted mindset.
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:05 PM   #25
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This is the new Jesus worshipping mindset
This is the new "liberal tolerance". You tolerate everyone who thinks exactly the same as you do.

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Old 11-02-2007, 06:07 PM   #26
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I have to agree with Matt. He is one of the reasons healthcare costs are so high. I don't know where most liberals stand on this, but I for one think we should severly limit the amount and number of malpractice cases in the US. Doctors are human and will make mistakes. So for that one mistake we are punishing millions of people by driving up health insurance costs and driving up healthcare costs in general. I'm not saying doctors should not be held accountable.....but they work in a high risk field and in all kinds of healthcare there is a risk of mistakes. We can dream of everyone having healthcare, but until people are willing to accept the realities of helathcare it will remain a dream.

We should be addressing the cost of healthcare before we can even think of providing everyone with healthcare. I'm not talking about tax credits either...I'm talking bottom line cost.
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:34 PM   #27
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My friend just sent me this email.



I am going to guess that at least three people will read this so I've fulfilled my pledge Here is his plan:

Under the Edwards Plan:

  • Families without insurance will get coverage at an affordable price.
  • Families with insurance will pay less and get more security and choices.
  • Businesses and other employers will find it cheaper and easier to insure their workers.

    The Edwards Plan achieves universal coverage by:
  • Requiring businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their health insurance.
  • Making insurance affordable by creating new tax credits, expanding Medicaid and SCHIP, reforming insurance laws, and taking innovative steps to contain health care costs.
  • Creating regional "Health Markets" to let every American share the bargaining power to purchase an affordable, high-quality health plan, increase choices among insurance plans, and cut costs for businesses offering insurance.
  • Once these steps have been taken, requiring all American residents to get insurance.
  • Securing universal healthcare for every American will require the active involvement of millions of Americans.


John Edwards for President
Edwards sued the crap (millions of dollars) out of many doctors in N.C. In fact, he damaged a particular medical field so much that it was almost gone by the time he was done with it. Now with his millions, he's built a freaking mansion worth over 4 million dollars complete with no-trespassing signs on his property.

The pretty breck boy is nothing more than a slimy turd lawyer.

And does anybody see whats been happening with lawyers, democrats, and doctors? Dems generally have written laws that have made it easier for lawyers to sue doctors. Lawyers are one of the democrats biggest contributers. (RICO?) Healthcare gets much more expensive so dems have to come in and implement tiny steps towards a full socialized heathcare plan.

Useful idiots gush over the breck boy's heathcare solution.

Kramer
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:42 PM   #28
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Taxing people like me much more to cover the 48% of Americans who pay little to no income tax.
GOOD!
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:48 PM   #29
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ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's hillarious, Goober. Really. Excellent comedy.

The jury finds for whoever puts on the better show in these cases.

Take a CP case. If the plaintiff has a charismatic, ethically bankrupt lawyer who can put on a good show of claiming to channel the (not dead) child, the jury returns a sympathy verdict.

Throughout the country, there are attorneys who capitalize on the scientifically flawed position that every birth defect is caused by a doctor who must then pay millions.

Oh, yeah, and the lawyer gets half (typically 40% plus costs).



For every one of those, there are probably 20 OB/GYNs who have never even been accused of malpractice paying six figure premiums.

If they don't leave the specialty, that is.

Every time you hear about how some poor malpractice victim was awarded millions, just remember - the lawyer walked off with half (or more). And then next time you pay your health insurance premium, understand that the costs you pay are directly related to the costs of these suits on the medical industry as a whole.

Matt
Really, your absolute lack of faith in the American court system is showing.
Have you got a better plan for determining what happened than a trial?

What should happen to a doctor who leaves a patient in the delivery room unattended for an hour to grab a sandwich, causing the baby to suffer irreparable brain damage?
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:52 PM   #30
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Disputing Edward's asinine plan makes one a member of "the Bush Crowd"?
In the eyes of about 60% of the people on this forum..dispute them..and yes jot - you are an official Bush lover.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:25 PM   #31
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Really, your absolute lack of faith in the American court system is showing.
Have you got a better plan for determining what happened than a trial?
I worked for a PI attorney for a couple years - I have seen first hand the kinds of crap that can be played up for a jury and result in a verdict.

I've also seen how little of the money actually makes it to the plaintiff.

A big step to improving things would be to forbid schmaltzy emotional appeals - like Edwards' famous "channeling" episode.

Another good step would be to cap attorney's fees at some percentage of the trial costs. That way, some of the money that gets awarded to the plaintiff for legitimate pain and suffering actually makes it to the plaintiff.

What should happen to a doctor who leaves a patient in the delivery room unattended for an hour to grab a sandwich, causing the baby to suffer irreparable brain damage?
If that in fact happened, and he was the proximate cause, he should have been charged criminally and had his license revoked.

The problem is not the legitimate gross malpractice suits. It's the junk science stuff that gets millions. And the sleaze like Edwards that pretend to feel the "spirit" of a (not dead) child "speaking through me" to play to jury sympathies.

Matt
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:46 PM   #32
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Another good step would be to cap attorney's fees at some percentage of the trial costs. That way, some of the money that gets awarded to the plaintiff for legitimate pain and suffering actually makes it to the plaintiff.

Matt
Awesome idea! Capping attorney's fees would cause a drastic reduction in the # of lawsuits we see.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:50 PM   #33
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Awesome idea! Capping attorney's fees would cause a drastic reduction in the # of lawsuits we see.
Yes, we must banish the free market from the American scene. How conservative of you.......
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:52 PM   #34
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If that in fact happened, and he was the proximate cause, he should have been charged criminally and had his license revoked.

The problem is not the legitimate gross malpractice suits. It's the junk science stuff that gets millions. And the sleaze like Edwards that pretend to feel the "spirit" of a (not dead) child "speaking through me" to play to jury sympathies.

Matt
He settled out of court, no charges, the insurance paid, he kept his license and made it onto the stage with Bush as a victim of the system.
That's the reality.
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:01 PM   #35
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Let me know when you guys wake up from your dream.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:30 PM   #36
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WTF did his statement have to do with jesus???
You should look at your own twisted mindset.
This is the new "liberal tolerance". You tolerate everyone who thinks exactly the same as you do.

Matt
Guys, wrxsti is using satire. I was just helping her/him. settle down with your Christian persecution complexes!
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:55 PM   #37
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No that's Bush's plan. Where does Edwards plan say that?
How do you think it's going to be funded? It's not free.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:08 PM   #38
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Guys, wrxsti is using satire. I was just helping her/him. settle down with your Christian persecution complexes!
Sorry.......we may be sometimes easily confused by the mind of the soul-less.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:17 PM   #39
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Sorry.......we may be sometimes easily confused by the mind of the soul-less.
As I am always confused by the soul of the mindless.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:18 PM   #40
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Yes, we must banish the free market from the American scene. How conservative of you.......
The Lawsuit Lottery is not a free market component.

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