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Old 02-02-2007, 04:49 PM   #21
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Democrats dont wanna increase welfare spending thats why they raise the minimum wage.Its ether that or if Mr Bush vetoes it then the only opition democrats have to do it raise welfare money.That mean you the taxpayer have to pay more for lazy bums who just dont wanna work and get a free handout.
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:19 PM   #22
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Ill Help a little
You know what would help a LOT?

Improving your skills and making yourself more valuable to your employer so as to warrant an increase in your income.
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:53 PM   #23
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It does. 6.77 an hour does not pay my bills!!
How long have you been at minimum wage? And do you plan on doing anything about it yourself? Or are you just going to expect the govn to care for you forever?

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Old 02-02-2007, 08:27 PM   #24
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Well what Job can i do? I mean get in easy with no quilications bullshit. Remember im handicapped.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:07 PM   #25
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Well what Job can i do? I mean get in easy with no quilications bullshit. Remember im handicapped.
Sales.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:08 PM   #26
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amongst others I am sure
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:44 PM   #27
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My Job wont be cut..Cause they need a good reason to cut me cause i am HANDICAPPED!!! And the ACLU and ADA will not put up with it. I already went to court over my job loss because of my medical disability and I WON!!! And that Judge is one mean assed S.O.B and i dont think my boss wants to see his face again.
You're handicapped? Who'd have guessed that one ......

So, you're using your "disability" as a way to abuse the system? How admirable.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:48 PM   #28
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People gotta trust that some economic evaluations were done (such as consequences towards inflation, etc) before approval takes place.

Also, consider the poverty threshold - each year it goes up. As this goes up, minimum wage remains static. In other words, minimum wage is not correcting itself for the poverty threshold.

Poverty - Poverty Thresholds
There is no poverty in America and minimum wage should not even exist. This is supposed to be a free market economy.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:49 PM   #29
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Is it a mental disability steveox?
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:33 PM   #30
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Yay! Some people with low incomes will lose their jobs now because businesses that pay minimum wages will be forced to cut jobs to continue to compete. Those left with minimum wage paying jobs will have to take on more work. Yay! All the democrats will achieve is increase the unemployment rate and increase the cost of living. The only people they are hurting are the poor who are of course are mostly uneducated, don't understand market forces, are easily duped and voted for them. How ironic, how idiotic, how sad.
Says who? Minimum wage does not bring on a loss of jobs or a recession. A gradual minimum wage (as usual) does not affect businesses as much as you think.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:36 PM   #31
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There is no poverty in America and minimum wage should not even exist. This is supposed to be a free market economy.
And this is also supposed to be a free country with values and the ability to keep people from being impoverished.

Please come to the city, Sam. There is poverty. There are different scales of poverty in the world. Income inequality is the real factor here.
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Old 02-02-2007, 11:17 PM   #32
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There is no poverty in America and minimum wage should not even exist. This is supposed to be a free market economy.
Their is no poverty? I would agree if poverty was only defined by what many in Africa have to endure but by most definitions we do in fact have poverty in this nation. While I do think that capitalism is the best system to create wealth I see no reason why we shouldn't have some rules to protect against the negative effects it does have.
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Old 02-02-2007, 11:35 PM   #33
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Wasn't inflation going up anyways?
Doesn't it always?

Now it is simply going up more. And I will in turn curtail my spending. That way it won't really harm me too much. Just the businesses I used to patronize.
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Old 02-02-2007, 11:57 PM   #34
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And this is also supposed to be a free country with values and the ability to keep people from being impoverished.

Please come to the city, Sam. There is poverty. There are different scales of poverty in the world. Income inequality is the real factor here.
I see where you are coming from about helping others but the best way to do that is to educate them on how to fish. Not just give them free fish at the expense of others who worked hard to get where they are. That isn't a free market as Sam said. Thats a form of socialism.

This brings up a point. Imagine getting a minimum wage job for $6.25/hr. You have a great work ethic and bust your buns to get a raise. Finally that day comes when you get your $1.00 raise and are now at $7.25. Another 6 months go by and all of a sudden the minimum wage is raised to 7.25. You are back at minimum.

What does raising minimum wage do for this guy? Nothing. He actually takes a step back.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:03 AM   #35
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Not to mention that now that everyone is making $7.25 an hour he will end up having to pay more for his purchases. So now not only is he back to minimum wage, but his purchasing power is going to take a hit.

Poor guy.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:17 AM   #36
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This is why WE NEED ANOTHER UNION REVOLUTION!! We need to make unions in more companies like Wal-Mart,,Grocery Stores,,Sears MACY`S And J.C.Penny. And Make unions into Satelite companies as well cable and telephone companies.And put unions in Burger King,McDonalds,Taco Bell and KFC. Then workers can be powerful than the bosses.Look at the NBA,NHL,NFL and MLB unions.Ballplayers used to make decent money in the old days.But it took a huge man like Curt Flood to stand up to the owners and demand he get better salary by becoming a free agent for better money.Then the owners too the players union to the US Supreme Court and the court ruled in favor of the players to become free agents.Thats how UNIONS come in.Unions make the greedy wealthy managers and CEOs to share the wealth.Look at the Steelworkers unions and Coal Miners unions.It goes like this..WE VOTE FOR A STRIKE!! For 20% Raise thats what the UAW unions pulled back in the 70s.There were UAW Union strike with FORD,GM and Chrysler workers walked out and demand a 30% raise or NO WORK!. And the Strike lasted almost a year before the CEOs caved in to the workers.Without unions bosses can make the calls whatever you get a raise or not!
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:19 AM   #37
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Their is no poverty? I would agree if poverty was only defined by what many in Africa have to endure but by most definitions we do in fact have poverty in this nation. While I do think that capitalism is the best system to create wealth I see no reason why we shouldn't have some rules to protect against the negative effects it does have.
This is true. However, one sole system cannot exist without another to keep it in check.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:23 AM   #38
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First off, the House hasnt passed the amended bill, so who knows what will happen. BUT, if the Senate version makes it through, i hope it is vetoed. Rasiing the minimum wage is pointless, as almost no one makes it, and those that do are entry level jobs worked primarily by part time employees. Had they simply added tax cuts to offset the cost increases, it might have been a good thing as the effect would be neutral. But, by adding higher taxes for CEOs the balance has shifted back to higher costs for the business, which the result will be higher prices, or less jobs.

Its simple economics, something the neolibs continue to not understand.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:29 AM   #39
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This is why WE NEED ANOTHER UNION REVOLUTION!! We need to make unions in more companies like Wal-Mart,,Grocery Stores,,Sears MACY`S And J.C.Penny. And Make unions into Satelite companies as well cable and telephone companies.And put unions in Burger King,McDonalds,Taco Bell and KFC. Then workers can be powerful than the bosses.Look at the NBA,NHL,NFL and MLB unions
Unions were actually a good thing and the demise of them (not too far off into the future) is partly what caused the income inequality and wage degradation over the span of about 20 years. The knowledge worker is now the demand. Fast food restaurants and retail giants like Wal-mart surely would wet their pants at the sight of a union contract. Businesses cannot make as much profit from unions. This is where the worker is screwed.

Outsourcing is another culprit of the degradation of our jobs and unions. A business is surely going to invest in employees in India (whose economy is booming by the way) for $2.00 an hour, rather than pay employees $16 + here.

It surely is a free market guys and I really don't believe that a slow raise in minimum wage is going to make a fuss. Maybe you guys forgot that raises in the fed min wage didn't affect anything because the last time there was one, it was 10 years ago. Sad, really.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:39 AM   #40
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Had they simply added tax cuts to offset the cost increases, it might have been a good thing as the effect would be neutral. But, by adding higher taxes for CEOs the balance has shifted back to higher costs for the business, which the result will be higher prices, or less jobs. Minimum wage employees are usually working at billion dollar profit companies. If the company chooses to lay off a bunch of minimum wage workers, they would end up having to hire them back because it would result in a shortage of service to the consumer and less people to serve them. Minimum wage people don't get laid off. Businesses laying these employees off are just sealing their own doom. Tax cuts are for investors to invest more and give right back to the businesses. Does nothing for the workers.
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