[11Pecepebra]

Why is he still there? With 7 people working for him?

Rummy Still Hanging Around D.O.D.
"Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has left the Pentagon, but not the Defense Department," the Washington Times reports. "On Jan. 4, Mr. Rumsfeld opened a government-provided transition office in Arlington and has seven Pentagon-paid staffers working for him, a Pentagon official said."

The Pentagon lists Mr. Rumsfeld as a "nonpaid consultant," a status he needs in order to review secret and top-secret documents, the official said.

Mr. Rumsfeld and his aides, who include close adviser Stephen Cambone, are sifting through the thousands of pages of documents generated during his tenure.

The Pentagon official said former secretaries are entitled to a transition office to sort papers, some of which can be taken with them for a library, for archives or to write a book.

The transition office has raised some eyebrows inside the Pentagon. Some question the size of the staff, which includes two military officers and two enlisted men. Defense Tech: Rummy Still Hanging Around D.O.D.

[Abedgebeefs]

Burns you up, doesn't it?

/chuckle

He is afforded the same conveniences of all outgoing Sec Defs.

Newsflash: For 5 years he has been technically in charge of the management of the War on Terror as well as the nation's defense forces.

A place is kept for him should he need to be brought in for assistance, debriefing, etc etc.

It is nothing new, but I would not expect someone who knows so little about our government to get it.

[primaveraloler]

Yep. Just because he doesn't hold a certain title doesn't mean that he has lost his influence.

[11Pecepebra]

Can you prove to me that this is nothing new? I was under the impression that when a man loses his job, he is gone. Can you please show me which other Secretary of Defense stayed on after he was let go? I think you may be the one who knows very little and are making up this story just to stick up for your lying pack of thieves in our government.

Show me.

[11Pecepebra]

Yep. Just because he doesn't hold a certain title doesn't mean that he has lost his influence.

Is he still running the show with Gates as a puppet?

[MegaJIT]

I'd like to know how many shredders the office has

[primaveraloler]

I have no idea. If I had the low down, I'd be sure to try to let people know; however, I'm as informed as you, if not less so in this matter. All I know is that Rumsfeld is a powerful man and has been influential in our government for quite awhile, and I'm not surprised to see that continue, no matter what title he holds. The same can be said about a number of names, including Gates.

[11Pecepebra]

timj219 is it true what Meridious is trying to claim here? I doubt he will be back to back up his claim. He's a hit and run poster usually. Do other Secretarys of Defense keep an office at the Pentagon after they resign? Is this usual?

[11Pecepebra]

I have no idea. If I had the low down, I'd be sure to try to let people know; however, I'm as informed as you, if not less so in this matter. All I know is that Rumsfeld is a powerful man and has been influential in our government for quite awhile, and I'm not surprised to see that continue, no matter what title he holds. The same can be said about a number of names, including Gates.

Gates is the current Sec of Def. He is not in question. Meridious thinks it's normal for a Sec of Def. to stay on at the Pentagon with a staff and an office. I find it strange and unusual. Rumsfeld holds no title in our government.

[MegaJIT]

timj219 is it true what Meridious is trying to claim here? I doubt he will be back to back up his claim. He's a hit and run poster usually. Do other Secretarys of Defense keep an office at the Pentagon after they resign? Is this usual?

I don't know Sam. Your OP quotes the pentagon as claiming the office is SOP for former secretaries but I don't know how many of them are fired in disgrace. And I don't know if that makes a difference. My gut says it should but politicians aren't like the rest of us.

[primaveraloler]

I don't believe Kissinger does either, but I hear he still lurks around the White House as well. My point is, one does not need some title to hold influence; bureaucrats can come up with whatever obscure and lofty position they want, such as "nonpaid consultant," which is what Rumsfeld currently is. I wouldn't be surprised to see him labeled something 'better' sounding in a bit, or perhaps he'll participate in the world of business for a while, again.

We cannot know how much influence he still holds in the Pentagon, unless it is plainly stated by some official in a press release, and even then it is open to suspicion. Also, it is important to note that apparen the Pentagon itself, though like the article says, he is not out of the Department of Defense yet - he has a lot of stuff to go through.

[Abedgebeefs]

Also, it is important to note that apparently Rumsfeld does not have a desk at the Pentagon itself, though like the article says, he is not out of the Department of Defense yet - he has a lot of stuff to go through.

Well, finally someone gets it.

Only Sam could deduce that because I stated it was the norm for outgoing sec defs to hold a position of work that it meant "forever."

Here is something for Sam to think about:

Man manages war for 5 years. War is still ongoing. Man resigns suddenly. New man will come in to manage war.

New man just migh need old man to brief him on operations of the war. New man might want old man to explain just what was meant by his comments on field report 7608 and the incidents therein.

New man might want old man to assist him in analyzing an ongoing situation that old man was responsible for creating.

Ongoing operations (Sam, that means things still happening right now) that were drawn up and created by old man just might require that the creator (*old man) be available for debrief regarding parts or all of the strategy and/or reasoning behind old man's orders.

Sigh.


Just imagine: Ongoing war across the globe. The man who manages it is leaving. His administration is not. New man steps in immediately to take over.

Don't you think that it makes sense that the man who managed the war for the past 5 years have a position ready to assist if need be...especially regarding ---ongoing operations---- for which he was responsible for creating?

If you don't think so, will give you a clue:

Donald Rumsfled is not a Bush hater.

The Bush Administration are not Rumsfeld-haters.

The Bush administration, now more than ever, needs to closely manage ongoing strategies and operations that were required to continue once Rumsfeld left, many of which were devised or mapped out by Rumsfeld or with his approval based on what RUMSFELD knew at any given time.

Can the new Sec Def do the job without Rummy? You'd hope so, right? But even more so, you would hope that the outgoing Sec Def would be ready at a moments notice to assist, and that a place for him would be ready should he be called in to do so.

Again: This is NOTHING NEW. Outgoing Sec Defs can be called in at any time by the Pentagon or the president to debrief.

It is NOTHING NEW for outgoing Sec Defs to hold a place in the Pentagon for a period of time or until the new Sec Def feels it is unecessary.

Now, I know you hate Rummy and it burns your ass that he may still have a placard somewhere in the Pentagon with his name STILL on it, but guess what, Sam? The government puts the mission of protecting the citizens of the US above your petty, biased, based-on-crap nonsense.

Get over it.

Hell, there might even be a plaque on the wall somewhere in the Pentagon that is dedicated to the work that Rumsfeld did during his time there.

[11Pecepebra]

It's beyond me why a man who is such a miserable failure would be helpful in fixing the huge mess he made of the military and the war.

[Abedgebeefs]

A lot of things are beyond you, Sam. And no one here is surprised.

If I opened Top Secret file X15 and it was about an order given by Rumsfeld to do ___________ and I needed to know more about exactly what his motivations, reasoning, and thoughts were so that I could make a better analysis considering that ____ number of US Soldier's lives were on the line because of it....well...I'd expect him to carry his ass to the Pentagon and debrief me and my staff.

And no, it doesn't surprise me that the concept is "beyond you."

[LsrSRVxR]

The Pentagon lists Mr. Rumsfeld as a "nonpaid consultant," Does that mean he is an informer?

[PypeMaypetasy]

Why is he still there? With 7 people working for him?



Defense Tech: Rummy Still Hanging Around D.O.D.

I notice how this became such a big counter spin

to pelosi wanting a 757 .....whilst trying to pitch global warming fears at the same time!!!!!!!!!!

fucking hypocrites ......face it sam the left is no better than the right

"gotta save the planet from CO2 emmisions"

(lets fly in a gas guzzling airplane instead of a lear jet)

"Gotta save the tax payers money and stop pork spending"

(fucking plane cost 350K and hour to operate compared to 6K in a lear jet)


yep so lets get whiny cause the SEC DEF for the entire war still has a desk but isnt in charge of shit

would it be better if he was taken out back behind the pentagon and shot sam? would that make you feel better?

RAH RAH RAH ...........keep drinking the kool-aide

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

Can you prove to me that this is nothing new?

Well, for starters, there's this, from the very piece you posted above: The Pentagon official said former secretaries are entitled to a transition office.

It's something that all former secretaries are given, not just Rumsfeld.

But, hey, thanks for answering your own question...

[RooldpalApata]

Well, for starters, there's this, from the very piece you posted above: The Pentagon official said former secretaries are entitled to a transition office.

It's something that all former secretaries are given, not just Rumsfeld.

But, hey, thanks for answering your own question...

That doesn't mean that former secretaries were actually given transition offices. That just means they could be given transition offices. I know it's hard for some conservatives to understand the things they see, but do try to keep up with the rest of us.

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

That doesn't mean that former secretaries were actually given transition offices. That just means they could be given transition offices. I know it's hard for some conservatives to understand the things they see, but do try to keep up with the rest of us.

So, let me see if I understand you correctly: the guy is entitled to it, as others have been. He uses the entitlement, and libs wanna' piss and moan about it?

It seems as though libs believe that, if nobody has done it in the past, Rumsfeld shouldn't do it.

If you're going to whine about it, you really need to be prepared to show how no former Defense Secretay has taken advantage of it in the past. Can you do that?

[Abedgebeefs]

I heard that he gets to take cans of coca-cola from the fridge without putting money into the slush fund box.

Sound the trumpets!