[Peterli]

I'm not sure I understand the problem here. Wouldn't it be worse if Rummy made himself unavailable to his successor and forced him to "re-invent the wheel" (pardon the trite cliche) on a number of matters? I mean, it's not as if the guy gave his two weeks notice at the local 7-11. I imagine there's an inordinate amount of knowledge transfer that has to happen.

[11Pecepebra]

I think what the problem is, is that Rummy is a horrible disastor of a Secretary of Defense in a horrible disastor of a White House who fabricated intelligence to take us to a horrible disastor of a war.

I think what the problem is, is that many of us just want all of these horrible disastors out of our government as soon as possible.

[Peterli]

I think what the problem is, is that Rummy is a horrible disastor of a Secretary of Defense in a horrible disastor of a White House who fabricated intelligence to take us to a horrible disastor of a war.

I won't argue that point (and besides "Disastor" sounds like a great name for a comic book bad guy).

I think what the problem is, is that many of us just want all of these horrible disastors out of our government as soon as possible. If you impale yourself on a fence post, pulling it out right away is not necessarily the best course of action. That is to say, the fact that Rummy was bad at his job does not negate that he knows a lot about what's going on.

[RooldpalApata]

I won't argue that point (and besides "Disastor" sounds like a great name for a comic book bad guy).



If you impale yourself on a fence post, pulling it out right away is not necessarily the best course of action. That is to say, the fact that Rummy was bad at his job does not negate that he knows a lot about what's going on.

The thing is, since Rumsfeld doesn't seem to know what's going on it's best that he's not around. Or maybe, like Limbaugh, he really does know what's going on and he's just been "carrying water" for Bush for the past 6 years.

[Abedgebeefs]

I'm not sure I understand the problem here. Wouldn't it be worse if Rummy made himself unavailable to his successor and forced him to "re-invent the wheel" (pardon the trite cliche) on a number of matters? I mean, it's not as if the guy gave his two weeks notice at the local 7-11. I imagine there's an inordinate amount of knowledge transfer that has to happen.

Give it up.

Sam and company apparently would rather he go home and lock the doors and die than have him assist in the transition or be available for debrief on operations still ongoing which Rumsfeld strategized or developed.

It is a matter of hate and ignorance.

[11Pecepebra]

I won't argue that point (and besides "Disastor" sounds like a great name for a comic book bad guy).



If you impale yourself on a fence post, pulling it out right away is not necessarily the best course of action. That is to say, the fact that Rummy was bad at his job does not negate that he knows a lot about what's going on.

I agree (and I will be voting for you for best analogies next year) but when you are impaled on a fence post it's hard to be patient and wait for someone to get you the fuck off of it!

[11Pecepebra]

Give it up.

Sam and company apparently would rather he go home and lock the doors and die than have him assist in the transition or be available for debrief on operations still ongoing which Rumsfeld strategized or developed.

The operations that he strategized or developed are miserable failures, it is very clear. He needs to get the hell out of the government asap so new people can develop new successful strategies and our troops can stop dying for this unjust war of choice.

It is a matter of hate and ignorance.

Only on your part.

[Abedgebeefs]

The operations that he strategized or developed are miserable failures, it is very clear. He needs to get the hell out of the government asap so new people can develop new successful strategies and our troops can stop dying for this unjust war of choice.

So, regarding ongoing operations in which he developed or strategized, and in which soldiers are in danger right now in....

he should not be subject to assisting with should his successor have questions so that he can make the best decisions?

You are blinded (as usual) by your hatred.

Only on your part.

How so?

[corolaelwis]

I If you impale yourself on a fence post, pulling it out right away is not necessarily the best course of action. That is to say, the fact that Rummy was bad at his job does not negate that he knows a lot about what's going on.

You see i appreciate that you don't like Rummy and that even though you disagree with the policy you can put things rationally and sensibly and post without making it look like yo have rabies or something like other posters here seem to do.

I guess should there be another attack on the homeland (I guess Samantha would call that her birthday with the joy and excitement she'd experience) then if Rummy wasn't around to have helped Gates and new (civillian) leadership at the DoD transition into office he's blame it all on him for not preventing another attack.

I guess it was a shock to most here that J Edger Hoover actually had other top level justice department officials stay on in the F.B.I or DOJ even after his death to subsidise for the fact he was no longer around and actully requestd for this about a year before he left. Or that Bill Clinton still to this day along with Bush senior receives intelligence briefings at the courtesy of this President so that if there is any info either of them can give him to help him deal with threats to our nation better they can, i'm glad he at last can look above partisanship and look out for the country rather than thers who would rather have us attacked. Obviously there are things Bubba would know about that Bush wouldn't and its common sense to ask, i guess to some batshit liberal talking points ae more important than national security.

[WeestDype]

yes, unfortunately he is still in positions that will further allow him to fuck America up.
Failure is apparently not an important factor in getting rid of someone at the Pentagon.

[corolaelwis]

He isn't setting the fucking policy anymore. Which part of that don't you get? He's just making sure the new Def Secratary has all the classified documents and informaton he needs to keep us safe and run the biggest department of the US government. Or would you like Samantha not risk it an be okay with us getting attacked again?

[corolaelwis]

That doesn't mean that former secretaries were actually given transition offices. That just means they could be given transition offices. I know it's hard for some conservatives to understand the things they see, but do try to keep up with the rest of us.

I guess using a function set up, guess what, to be used, is a total abuse of power is it? Maybe if some members of the Clinton adminstraion had better dealt with certain issues instead of saying "The next administration can handle the attacks and the response to them" and use the function of tansition of government then we may not have been attacked 8 months into the Bush Presidency! Anyway i thought you liberals loved big government and people holding benein positions, oh oops, of course, he's not getting paid and therefore using taxpayer money so its not enough for you; people have to waste money before ya'll support it!

[RooldpalApata]

I guess using a function set up, guess what, to be used, is a total abuse of power is it? Maybe if some members of the Clinton adminstraion had better dealt with certain issues instead of saying "The next administration can handle the attacks and the response to them" and use the function of tansition of government then we may not have been attacked 8 months into the Bush Presidency! Anyway i thought you liberals loved big government and people holding benein positions, oh oops, of course, he's not getting paid and therefore using taxpayer money so its not enough for you; people have to waste money before ya'll support it!

He's assisted by 7 people who are paid. Please try to understand what's going on, because it has nothing to do with Clinton.

I know if I got fired from my job, I wouldn't be kept on staff to "train the new guy".

[11Pecepebra]

So, regarding ongoing operations in which he developed or strategized, and in which soldiers are in danger right now in....

he should not be subject to assisting with should his successor have questions so that he can make the best decisions?

You are blinded (as usual) by your hatred.





How so?

You've answered your own question.

[11Pecepebra]

I guess should there be another attack on the homeland (I guess Samantha would call that her birthday with the joy and excitement she'd experience) .

When you say stupid shit like this, people don't even bother to read the rest of your biased neocon nonsense.

[11Pecepebra]

He isn't setting the fucking policy anymore. Which part of that don't you get? He's just making sure the new Def Secratary has all the classified documents and informaton he needs to keep us safe and run the biggest department of the US government. Or would you like Samantha not risk it an be okay with us getting attacked again?

Please tell us how you know exactly what Rummy is doing?

But even if you do, no one will believe you because you constantly make up rubbish about what I believe. You are not at all credible in anything you say.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Please tell us how you know exactly what Rummy is doing?

That's the point we don't know what he's doing. What we do know is his vast experience in dealing with Islamic terrorists. That doesn't mean he simply gets fired and moves on. Unfortunately most liberals don't have any clue about this sort of thing which angers them to no end. Well that and the fact they are rabid Bush haters who have severe inferiority complexes.



Varus

[corolaelwis]

Its ok Varrus, she's just eagerly anticipting the day we get attacked again...

I guess people like Rummy and Bush ruin her party by keeping us safe...

[qzgCVHex]

This thread is so silly! I can't believe people are still debating this.

I thought drgoodtrips and Traveler already explained why in such a high level position one might want to ensure that the knowledge accumulated would be available to the next person appointed to the job. Running the US defense department is not exactly like running a 7-11. There's a little more to it than that. You're talking about the most powerful military in the world! Perhaps there are also ceremonial issues to consider. The Pentagon might want Rummy around to meet with people, or to go over documents with his staff to ensure that everything is readily available for the next guy. There are a million reasons why he would need a small office with a minimal staff. You're talking about the Secretary of Defense!

As the 9/11 commission stated, high level government positions require an orderly transition period. This was one of the recommendations of the 9/11 report, Sam! Running a country is just to complicated, and since lives are at stake, there's no place for stupid partisanship.

You're being very silly, Sam. You're just talking out of spite.

[11Pecepebra]

Rumsfeld has made us less safe, not more. If your argument is that he, being at the pentagon is for our safety, maybe you who claim I want another attack are actually the ones who want another attack. Rumsfeld has us stuck in a mess in Iraq that is destabilizing the whole Middle East. The only ones being silly here are the ones that think we are safer than before our lying government got us into this war.