[JessicaLin]

Here's a decent bit on the hypocrisy of Christians. From a supposedly Christian PRESIDENT. Hypocrisy forever.


Weeks after accusing President Bush of "shameful" behavior over the imprisonment of two Border Patrol agents who shot an unarmed suspected drug smuggler along the U.S.-Mexico border, a federal lawmaker turned up the heat further, suggesting the president should be impeached if the two men are killed in prison.

"The president of the United States talks a lot about his Christian charity, and his religious beliefs," Rohrabacher said. "He now is showing a mean-spirited side to him, an arrogance, in which he will turn his back, even after one of these officers in prison has been brutally assaulted."



Rep. Rohrabacher: Impeach Bush If Border Agents Killed

[WeestDype]

Did the officers do something wrong or not?

Does having a badge and a gun give you free reign to kill? or are you subject to expectations that, when compromised, carry a time in prison.

I am not a Bush supporter by any means, and do what him impeached.

But, this is not something I would impeach him over.

[JessicaLin]

Yes, lets learn all of the facts first. It LOOKS like these border agents were railroaded.

Railroaded for doing the job they were GIVEN.

Do we expect to have people who want to take the job of border agent now ? It seems to ME that we're more concerned about making criminals of the border agents than making criminals out of .....


....... criminals.

WTF is that ? Typical Christian hypocrisy ?

Certainly LOOKS that way.

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According to official documents in WND's possession, a Department of Homeland Security agent played a major role in managing the drug smuggler and conducting the field investigation in the incident that landed Border Patrol officers Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean in federal prison for more than a decade.

Yet, in the heavily redacted 77-page DHS report submitted to Congress Wednesday there is no explicit discussion of the role DHS Special Agent Christopher Sanchez played in the case.

Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, yesterday called for the resignation of four DHS investigators, including Assistant Inspector General Elizabeth Redman, after DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner testified under oath his deputies had lied to Congress about non-existent reports that were supposed to have established Ramos and Compean as rogue cops who wanted to "shoot some Mexicans."


WorldNetDaily: Border-agent investigator had tie to smuggler


Rohrabacher said he does not believe the agents received a fair trail, and he noted that three of the jurors said afterwards they were inclined to deliver a not guilty verdict but had been told by the jury foreman that the judge wanted them to "go along with majority."

In the absence of a pardon, the lawmakers said the administration should at least consider allowing the agents to go free while their case is heard on appeal.

As a result of additional information that will be brought up during the appeals process, Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) said, the agents stood a "good chance" of being acquitted. Nevertheless, Tancredo said he is still holding out for a pardon.

"The president has shown compassion in the past with pardons," Tancredo said. "Over Christmas he pardoned 18 people, five of whom were drug dealers. So the president has shown compassion, just not to people who have enforced the law."

GOP Lawmaker Warns of Impeachment in Border Agent Case -- 02/08/2007

[annouhMus]

Yes, lets learn all of the facts first. It LOOKS like these border agents were railroaded.

Railroaded for doing the job they were GIVEN.

Do we expect to have people who want to take the job of border agent now ? It seems to ME that we're more concerned about making criminals of the border agents than making criminals out of .....


....... criminals.

WTF is that ? Typical Christian hypocrisy ?

Certainly LOOKS that way.
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To you??? of course

[corolaelwis]

Thane, they were charged with trying to cover up the whole shooting by looking for the bullet caps and trying to conceal them. Is every President's chistianity up for question because they didn't pardon every criminal in America?

[JessicaLin]

To you??? of course

To me ?

Of course ?

To me of course what ?

As usual, you make SOOO much sense

[Sdinozes]

Yes, lets learn all of the facts first. It LOOKS like these border agents were railroaded.

Railroaded for doing the job they were GIVEN.

Let's take a look at a small part of the article you linked to:
Sutton notes that the agents not only shot an unarmed man while he was fleeing toward the Mexican border, but also tried to cover up the crime by disposing of their shell casings and not reporting the incident to their supervisor. If that's the job they were given, it would make for one hilarious job description.

[JessicaLin]

Thane, they were charged with trying to cover up the whole shooting by looking for the bullet caps and trying to conceal them.

So says YOU. That none of us know the full story, is what is true.


Rohrabacher said he does not believe the agents received a fair trail, and he noted that three of the jurors said afterwards they were inclined to deliver a not guilty verdict but had been told by the jury foreman that the judge wanted them to "go along with majority."



This has been just another example of how screwed up we are here. We're so ignorant we'll throw our own border agents in jail and give free passes to drug dealers.

This is what Christianity does to a presidents brain ?

Gak, I want no part of that shit.

Is every President's chistianity up for question because they didn't pardon every criminal in America?

Ridiculous.

[JessicaLin]

Let's take a look at a small part of the article you linked to:

If that's the job they were given, it would make for one hilarious job description.

Yes, lets:


.....and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, who prosecuted the two.

He was the prosecuter.

Do we really know that what he is saying is exactly what took PLACE ?

No, we don't.

That you want to defend Mexican drug runners and see an injustice carried out on men who were paid to protect our border FROM them, tells me all I need to know.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Thane, they were charged with trying to cover up the whole shooting by looking for the bullet caps and trying to conceal them. Is every President's chistianity up for question because they didn't pardon every criminal in America?

Now here's what i'm reading about this;

According to official documents in WND's possession, a Department of Homeland Security agent played a major role in managing the drug smuggler and conducting the field investigation in the incident that landed Border Patrol officers Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean in federal prison for more than a decade.

Yet, in the heavily redacted 77-page DHS report submitted to Congress Wednesday there is no explicit discussion of the role DHS Special Agent Christopher Sanchez played in the case.

Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, yesterday called for the resignation of four DHS investigators, including Assistant Inspector General Elizabeth Redman, after DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner testified under oath his deputies had lied to Congress about non-existent reports that were supposed to have established Ramos and Compean as rogue cops who wanted to "shoot some Mexicans." WorldNetDaily: Border-agent investigator had tie to smuggler

Varus

[Sdinozes]

Yes, lets:


.....and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, who prosecuted the two.

He was the prosecuter.

Do we really know that what he is saying is exactly what took PLACE ?

No, we don't.

They were found guilty in the court of law. I have not seen anything that would suggest that anything else took place. Have you? Or are you just saying 'we don't know what happened' for shits and giggles?
That you want to defend Mexican drug runners I never defended Mexican drug runners, I defended the law that these agents are sworn to protect, but broke. They not only shot an unarmed man who was fleeing from them (very illegal), but they concealed evidence (very illegal) and then failed to report anything (also illegal).

Plus, Thane, do we actually know that this guy was a Mexican drug runner?
and see an injustice carried out on men who were paid to protect our border FROM them, tells me all I need to know. With the type of ethics these agents had, I'm very glad they're behind bars. They're murderers, plane and simple. There job is to apprehend criminals and let the court decide their fate, not act as judge, jury and executioner all at once.

[corolaelwis]

This is what Christianity does to a presidents brain ?

You seem to be a good exmple of what lack of Christianity does to a brain.

Ridiculous.

Precisely, its your theory though.

[bensabath]

These guys committed the ultimate screw-up when it comes to the use of deadly force - they tried to cover it up.

Even a legitimate self-defense shooting will land you in prison if you try to cover it up.

Tampering with the evidence (casings) and failing to report it was an incredibly bad move, and it creates the strong appearance of guilt.

Matt

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

There is so much to this story that it's impossible to talk about it all here.

-BUT-

Essentially, the two guards shot a known drug smuggler in the ass.

They received more time in prison than some murderers.

Bush needs to pardon them, and he needs to do it soon. It's nice to see the Republicans AND Democrats inside the beltway seem to feel the same way...

[corolaelwis]

Now here's what i'm reading about this;

Yeah that's fair enough, but the thing is even if they did lie under oath about what they perceved these 2 BCP agents to be unless they or their false testimony(in court; not congress) actually led to the convictions of these two men then the two issues are seperate and not mutually exclusive. I trust the system of justice we have and i fully believe there was no conspiracy to convict these men; if they were convicted in a fair trial then they must serve their time in jail. For their own protectionthey wil be kept in isolation and away from Gen population espcially in a very hispanic area but i don't think Bush should pardon them in this instance.

[corolaelwis]

These guys committed the ultimate screw-up when it comes to the use of deadly force - they tried to cover it up.

Even a legitimate self-defense shooting will land you in prison if you try to cover it up.

Tampering with the evidence (casings) and failing to report it was an incredibly bad move, and it creates the strong appearance of guilt.

Agreed, they should have learnt from their superiors in Washington that the biggest crime that everyone commits is lying about what happened, how many times are folk gonna be charged and tried for perjury an obstruction of justice before everyone learns?

[annouhMus]

To me ?

Of course ?

To me of course what ?

As usual, you make SOOO much sense

Since I was responding to your post wheren you expressed your feelings, It is obvious that that is what I was referring to. Don't you read your own posts anymore?

[qilmuz6v]

Impeach a Christian president ? What if we elected a jewish president? All hell would cut loose when american military would spread out entire middle east.And then every soldier whos been court martialed would got an presidental pardon.

[JessicaLin]

They were found guilty in the court of law. I have not seen anything that would suggest that anything else took place. Have you? Or are you just saying 'we don't know what happened' for shits and giggles?

I never defended Mexican drug runners, I defended the law that these agents are sworn to protect, but broke. They not only shot an unarmed man who was fleeing from them (very illegal), but they concealed evidence (very illegal) and then failed to report anything (also illegal).

Plus, Thane, do we actually know that this guy was a Mexican drug runner?

With the type of ethics these agents had, I'm very glad they're behind bars. They're murderers, plane and simple. There job is to apprehend criminals and let the court decide their fate, not act as judge, jury and executioner all at once.

They're murderers, plane and simple. There job is to apprehend criminals and let the court decide their fate, not act as judge, jury and executioner all at once

Yeah, they're murderers "plane and simple."

Only in YOUR "PLANE" hombre.

Yeah, I'm just "saying this for shirts and giggles" gomez

Choosing the clueless route is your own choice man. Wait until the whole story comes out and PROVES you clueless.

Then we can watch your weird little cya charade.

[Sdinozes]

They're murderers, plane and simple. There job is to apprehend criminals and let the court decide their fate, not act as judge, jury and executioner all at once

Yeah, they're murderers "plane and simple."

Only in YOUR "PLANE" hombre.

Yeah, I'm just "saying this for shirts and giggles" gomez

Choosing the clueless route is your own choice man. Wait until the whole story comes out and PROVES you clueless.

Then we can watch your weird little cya charade.

Slam dunk response, Thane! You first make fun of a spelling error, then say we have to wait for the whole story, then say that I'm wrong with absolutely no sort of proof.

Impressive.