[annouhMus]

Would this have happened in the first place if 10 Republican senators hadn't tried to filibuster a clean, pork free law in the first place?

OH, so Kennedy get away with it because of the action of nine other Senators?

It's this way. there are disagrements about that the extra bill is about. It doesn't make one damn bit of difference, what he did was wrong regardless of content.

[Heliosprime]

I am the last person in the world to support ted..but they all do it..there has been tons of hidden amendments etc. shoved into every bill by either senate or house from both sides, since our founding..the reps should have shot this down..they were asleep at this switch…

[Patgaepx]

Plenty of Senators proposed amendments - I think there were over 100 just for this one bill. Since each admendment had to be voted on separately, there was no "sneaking", "slipping", etc. I checked THOMAS, and here's a sample of what did and did not get into the bill.

S.AMDT.167 Amendment SA 167 proposed by Senator Kennedy for Senator Feinstein to Amendment SA 118.
Amends: H.R.2 , S.AMDT.118
Sponsor: Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] (submitted 1/23/2007) (proposed 1/25/2007)

AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To improve agricultural job opportunities, benefits, and security for aliens in the United States.

1/31/2007: Proposed amendment SA 167 withdrawn in Senate. S.AMDT.148 Amendment SA 148 proposed by Senator Sessions to Amendment SA 100.
Amends: H.R.2 , S.AMDT.100
Sponsor: Sen Sessions, Jeff [AL] (submitted 1/23/2007) (proposed 1/25/2007)

AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To prohibit employers who unlawfully employ aliens from receiving government contracts.

1/25/2007: Amendment SA 148 agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 94 - 0. S.AMDT.195 Amendment SA 195 proposed by Senator Burr to Amendment SA 100.
Amends: H.R.2 , S.AMDT.100
Sponsor: Sen Burr, Richard [NC] (submitted 1/24/2007) (proposed 1/25/2007)

AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To provide for an exemption to a minimum wage increase for certain employers who contribute to their employees health benefit expenses.

1/31/2007: Proposed amendment SA 195 withdrawn in Senate. The THOMAS links don't seem to last too long .... the full text of the bill as agreed to be the Senate can be found from GPO.

[RooldpalApata]

OH, so Kennedy get away with it because of the action of nine other Senators?

It's this way. there are disagrements about that the extra bill is about. It doesn't make one damn bit of difference, what he did was wrong regardless of content.

No not at all. And it wasn't nine other senators, it was 10 Repiglicans. Kennedy is a slimy rat, but he wouldn't even have had the opportunity to do this crap if 10 garbage eating Republicans hadn't threatened to filibustered the bill.

[annouhMus]

No not at all. And it wasn't nine other senators, it was 10 Repiglicans. Kennedy is a slimy rat, but he wouldn't even have had the opportunity to do this crap if 10 garbage eating Republicans hadn't threatened to filibustered the bill.

Do you think this excuses KennedY???? I don't. and just for your information, calling them repiglicans doesn't help either. That makes you as bad as them,

[viagra-kaufen]

Whatever.....a lot of Senators slipped in a lot of shite that had nothing to do with the minimum wage. That doesn't change the fact that this thread is wrong, incorrect, misleading, misinformed, mistaken.....

Nothing wrong with the thread title. The title was the reason I chose to read this thread.
Kennedy is one of the dirtiest, most worthless politicians living. I wouldnt doubt anything about that waterboy! O', sorry I meant liquorboy!
The man has no morals and has done more harm to this nation than Kerry.
Of course Kennedy makes himself feel good by being a liberal. Then he votes to give away billions of our tax dollars to people that are too damn lazy to work.-TZS

[Seiblybiozy]

Nothing wrong with the thread title. The title was the reason I chose to read this thread.
Kennedy is one of the dirtiest, most worthless politicians living. I wouldnt doubt anything about that waterboy! O', sorry I meant liquorboy!
The man has no morals and has done more harm to this nation than Kerry.
Of course Kennedy makes himself feel good by being a liberal. Then he votes to give away billions of our tax dollars to people that are too damn lazy to work.-TZS

Welcome to the forum....

[ahagotyou]

What in particular about the bill are all you guys opposed to?

And why?

[viagra-kaufen]

Welcome to the forum....

Thanks. This forum seems to be very good.
I wasnt expecting a warm thank you after I blasted that old sot
for being the piece of garbage he is!
I do try to tell the truth though.
I have as of yet not found even one damn good thing about that
sorry pile of dogpuke named swimmer Kennedy.

[bettingonosports]

Even as a Democrat supporter and advocate of an earned amnesty program once a fence is in place on the entire southern border I have to say it is pretty slimy what Kennedy appears to have done. First of all there can't be any talk about immigration with open borders. Its like re-arraning the deck chairs on the Titanic. Secondly, trying to slip things into bills is stupid and unhelpful to anyone.

Whilst his actions may not have been the most ethical, it is standard practice adopted by BOTH sides of politics. Who is more at fault - the politicians who take these actions, or the voters who allow and support it by electing them?

[Seiblybiozy]

I wasnt expecting a warm thank you after I blasted that old sot
for being the piece of garbage he is!
I do try to tell the truth though.
I have as of yet not found even one damn good thing about that
sorry pile of dogpuke named swimmer Kennedy.

Why do you think I gave you a warm welcome....

[Thifiadardivy]

Whilst his actions may not have been the most ethical, it is standard practice adopted by BOTH sides of politics. Who is more at fault - the politicians who take these actions, or the voters who allow and support it by electing them?

Agreed. When you vote Republicrats in, you get the baggage that comes with them.

[bettingonosports]

Agreed. When you vote Republicrats in, you get the baggage that comes with them.

But that's the whole point as this example serves to prove: it's not just Republicans that slip amendments onto Bills - just as Ted Kennedy should not be held up by some here as being the only perpetrator of such a tool. He is merely following a looooooooooong line of other, on BOTH sides. Don't for a second let anyone think that this is some kind of new trick, as it ain't!

[Patgaepx]

Nothing wrong with the thread title. The title was the reason I chose to read this thread.

If it's the truth you're after, the truth is, the thread title says something that simply isn't true.

God knows Kennedy has screwed up enough times that people don't have to just make this shit up.

[1] Kennedy did not "slip" one damn thing into the minimum wage bill. "Slip" implies that no one knew anything about that particular amendment. That is false. Amendments are made out in the open.

[2] There were well over one hundred amendments to this bill. All were properly introduced according to Senate rules - none were hidden. They had to be voted on by the Senate to be included in the minimum wage bill. The amendment in question was withdrawn, like many others.

[3] The amendment wasn't even sponsored by Kennedy - he introduced the amendment for another Senator, Senator Feinstein.

Kennedy is one of the dirtiest, most worthless politicians living. I wouldnt doubt anything about that waterboy! O', sorry I meant liquorboy! The man has no morals and has done more harm to this nation than Kerry. Of course Kennedy makes himself feel good by being a liberal. Then he votes to give away billions of our tax dollars to people that are too damn lazy to work.-TZS

We get it - you hate Kennedy.

[cokLoolioli]

From the link I provided (I just clicked on the link in my own post above):

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[i]
Page: S1088
DIVISION B--IMMIGRATION REFORM
DIVISION B--IMMIGRATION REFORM
TITLE I--BORDER SECURITY
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That's what's in the text that the Distinguished Gentleman from Massachusettes slipped into the now-misnamed Minimum Wage Bill. Each "Page:" reference is actually a hyperlink to pages from the Congressional rRecord, detailing all the amnesty stuff.

Back to the subject:

Kennedy knows that popular support for such a bill is nonexistent, even as support in the Senate is high. So he tried to slip it in under the public radar, in hopes that only the joint House-Senate committee would have to deal with it, with far less public notice than comes from open debate.

Repubs and Democrats alike have been supporting amnesty, in direct defiance of their constituents' desires. It's part of what cost the Republicans their majorities in 2006. I suppose I should be happy that the new Dem majorities are trying the same thing, even more disingenuously - it will help get them boot out as the Repubs just were. But granting amnesty to the 12-20 million illegals already here, is a very steep price to pay even for getign rid of socialist Democrats and Republicans from Congress. And the Presidency, if it comes to that.

You are still misunderstanding what COngress did. Click on your link and then "text of legislation", and then #4, which is the version passed by the Senate. There is not immigration legislation in that bill.

Furthermore, if you read the congressional record in full youll that on pae s1088, which you quoted, that it states

SA 180. Mr. KENNEDY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 143 submitted by Mr. SESSIONS and intended to be proposed to the bill H.R. 2, to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide for an increase in the Federal minimum wage; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:


In lieu of the matter to be inserted, insert the following:



DIVISION B--IMMIGRATION REFORM and so on...

This is a reading of the amendments that were SUBMITTED, not neccesarily passed. Youll notice I was right about the number also. This is the status of 180:

80. S.AMDT.180 to H.R.2 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] (introduced 1/24/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 1/24/2007 Senate amendment submitted

[RooldpalApata]

But that's the whole point as this example serves to prove: it's not just Republicans that slip amendments onto Bills - just as Ted Kennedy should not be held up by some here as being the only perpetrator of such a tool. He is merely following a looooooooooong line of other, on BOTH sides. Don't for a second let anyone think that this is some kind of new trick, as it ain't!

It was Republicants that threatened to filibuster a clean, amendment free bill. What Kennedy did was terrible, but the 10 Repiglicants started this avalanche of pork.

[cokLoolioli]

It was Republicants that threatened to filibuster a clean, amendment free bill. What Kennedy did was terrible, but the 10 Repiglicants started this avalanche of pork.

When did they do this? WHat is your source?

[annouhMus]

What in particular about the bill are all you guys opposed to?

And why?

The added contents, AND that those contents have nothing to do with the original intent of the Bill.


Yeh I know it happens all the time, But IMHO "IT SHOULDN'T"

[annouhMus]

Agreed. When you vote Republicrats in, you get the baggage that comes with them.

but that works both ways, and by the way, He is a Democrat.

[cokLoolioli]

Do you mean the small biz tax breaks that were added or the immigration stuff, which was never added?