[mpxricyNimb]

Can this guy get any slimier?

It's an odd sequence. The House of Representatives passed its minimum-wage bill on Jan. 10, 2007, called H.R.2. The bill had nothing to do with illegal aliens or amnsety. It then went to the Senate. It was scheduled for a vote on Feb. 1. Apparently, just before the vote, Teddy Kennedy slipped the entire text of his last-year's illegal alien amnesty bill into it. It was then passed 94-3 by a voice vote in the Senate, still titled the "Minimum Wage" bill.

I guess it now goes to a committee where they "iron out the differences" between what the House passed, and what the Senate just passed.

Anyone know how likely it is, that the committe will weed out Kennedy's little change? Or will they simply rubber-stamp it? Or...??

See Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) and click on "Amendments". Scroll down to S.A. 187 and click on it. BYO barf bag.

[cokLoolioli]

Are you sure? This is what I found in the record on SA187

SA 187. Mr. KERRY (for himself, Ms. Snowe, Mr. Sununu, Ms. Landrieu, and Mr. Lieberman) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 112 submitted by Mr. Sununu to the amendment SA 100 proposed by Mr. Reid (for Mr. Baucus) to the bill H.R. 2, to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide for an increase in the Federal minimum wage; as follows:


In lieu of the matter proposed to be inserted, insert the following:

SEC. __. RENEWAL GRANTS FOR WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTERS.

(a) In General.--Section 29 of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 656) is amended by adding at the end the following:

``(m) Continued Funding for Centers.--

``(1) IN GENERAL.--A nonprofit organization described in paragraph (2) shall be eligible to receive, subject to paragraph (3), a 3-year grant under this subsection.

``(2) APPLICABILITY.--A nonprofit organization described in this paragraph is a nonprofit organization that has received funding under subsection (b) or (l).

``(3) APPLICATION AND APPROVAL CRITERIA.--

``(A) CRITERIA.--Subject to subparagraph (B), the Administrator shall develop and publish criteria for the consideration and approval of applications by nonprofit organizations under this subsection.

``(B) CONTENTS.--Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the conditions for participation in the grant program under this subsection shall be the same as the conditions for participation in the program under subsection (l), as in effect on the date of enactment of this Act.

``(C) NOTIFICATION.--Not later than 60 days after the date of the deadline to submit applications for each fiscal year, the Administrator shall approve or deny any application under this subsection and notify the applicant for each such application.

``(4) AWARD OF GRANTS.--

``(A) IN GENERAL.--Subject to the availability of appropriations, the Administrator shall make a grant for the Federal share of the cost of activities described in the application to each applicant approved under this subsection.

``(B) AMOUNT.--A grant under this subsection shall be for not more than $150,000, for each year of that grant.

``(C) FEDERAL SHARE.--The Federal share under this subsection shall be not more than 50 percent.

``(D) PRIORITY.--In allocating funds made available for grants under this section, the Administrator shall give applications under this subsection or subsection (l) priority over first-time applications under subsection (b).

``(5) RENEWAL.--

``(A) IN GENERAL.--The Administrator may renew a grant under this subsection for additional 3-year periods, if the nonprofit organization submits an application for such renewal at such time, in such manner, and accompanied by such information as the Administrator may establish.

``(B) UNLIMITED RENEWALS.--There shall be no limitation on the number of times a grant may be renewed under subparagraph (A).

``(n) Privacy Requirements.--

``(1) IN GENERAL.--A women's business center may not disclose the name, address, or telephone number of any individual or small business concern receiving assistance under this section without the consent of such individual or small business concern, unless--

``(A) the Administrator is ordered to make such a disclosure by a court in any civil or criminal enforcement action initiated by a Federal or State agency; or

``(B) the Administrator considers such a disclosure to be necessary for the purpose of conducting a financial audit of a women's business center, but a disclosure under this subparagraph shall be limited to the information necessary for such audit.

``(2) ADMINISTRATION USE OF INFORMATION.--This subsection shall not--

``(A) restrict Administration access to program activity data; or

``(B) prevent the Administration from using client information (other than the information described in subparagraph (A)) to conduct client surveys.

``(3) REGULATIONS.--The Administrator shall issue regulations to establish standards for requiring disclosures during a financial audit under paragraph (1)(B).''.

(b) Repeal.--Section 29(l) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 656(l)) is repealed effective October 1 of the first full fiscal year after the date of enactment of this Act.

(c) Transitional Rule.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a grant or cooperative agreement that was awarded under subsection (l) of section 29 of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 656), on or before the day before the date described in subsection (b) of this section, shall remain in full force and effect under the terms, and for the duration, of such grant or agreement.

[cokLoolioli]

Ok, you must mean 143 proposed by Sessions and later amended by Kennedy in 180. Neither was passed.

[mpxricyNimb]

Are you sure? This is what I found in the record on SA187

That's not what was in the link I gave.

[mpxricyNimb]

Ok, you must mean 143 proposed by Sessions and later amended by Kennedy in 180. Neither was passed.

Nope. I meant SA 187 as I said. It was passed by the Senate as I described. The entire illegal-alien bill is in it, with amnesty, expanded guest worker programs, the whole nine yards.

[Vodonaeva]

See the Democrats arent the champion the little people just like the ACLU isnt for Equal Justice.Democrats are suposed to be for america and for the working class.So should we blame the democrats for americas business going down jobs going overseas and allowing the japanese do trade with us? If Illegals get amnesty Hillary will LOSE in 08 and a republican will be in the white house.Bush should Veto this.

[RooldpalApata]

Nope. I meant SA 187 as I said. It was passed by the Senate as I described. The entire illegal-alien bill is in it, with amnesty, expanded guest worker programs, the whole nine yards.

Would this have happened in the first place if 10 Republican senators hadn't tried to filibuster a clean, pork free law in the first place?

[Vodonaeva]

And The ACLU isnt for Equal rights.Theyre for WOMEN & MINORITIES!

[cokLoolioli]

That's not what was in the link I gave.

That is exactly what is in the link you referenced. According to Thomas, SA 187 has nothing to do with immigration. The amendments I referenced do, and were not passed by the Senate.

[cokLoolioli]

Would this have happened in the first place if 10 Republican senators hadn't tried to filibuster a clean, pork free law in the first place?

What you claimed is false. The bill had already been amended, by a democrat first, when the vote for cloture came, and 43 Republicans voted to continue debate. And as I pointed out, "this" did not happen, so its moot.

[RG3rGWcA]

Thanks for clearing that up jviehe.

[lzwha]

Even as a Democrat supporter and advocate of an earned amnesty program once a fence is in place on the entire southern border I have to say it is pretty slimy what Kennedy appears to have done. First of all there can't be any talk about immigration with open borders. Its like re-arraning the deck chairs on the Titanic. Secondly, trying to slip things into bills is stupid and unhelpful to anyone.

[RG3rGWcA]

Even as a Democrat supporter and advocate of an earned amnesty program once a fence is in place on the entire southern border I have to say it is pretty slimy what Kennedy appears to have done. First of all there can't be any talk about immigration with open borders. Its like re-arraning the deck chairs on the Titanic. Secondly, trying to slip things into bills is stupid and unhelpful to anyone.

He didn't do it. This thread is incorrect.

[Seiblybiozy]

He didn't do it. This thread is incorrect.

Kennedy did "try" to sneak it in, luckily it was shot down.
That's the way I understand it.

[RG3rGWcA]

Kennedy did "try" to sneak it in, luckily it was shot down.
That's the way I understand it.

Whatever.....a lot of Senators slipped in a lot of shite that had nothing to do with the minimum wage. That doesn't change the fact that this thread is wrong, incorrect, misleading, misinformed, mistaken.....

[Seiblybiozy]

Whatever.....a lot of Senators slipped in a lot of shite that had nothing to do with the minimum wage.

I'll agree, I got a freaking headache trying to read down through the full bill with all of the amendments.

[JTS_tv]

I'll agree, I got a freaking headache trying to read down through the full bill with all of the amendments.

And that's the problem with using voting records to bash a candidate. The bills are so convoluted that a vote can be taken to mean almost anything.

[mpxricyNimb]

From the link I provided (I just clicked on the link in my own post above):

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Page: S1088
DIVISION B--IMMIGRATION REFORM
DIVISION B--IMMIGRATION REFORM
TITLE I--BORDER SECURITY
Page: S1089
Subtitle A--Border Security Strategic Planning
Subtitle B--Border Infrastructure, Technology Integration, and Security...
Subtitle C--International Border Enforcement
TITLE II--STATE CRIMINAL ALIEN ASSISTANCE
TITLE III--ESSENTIAL WORKER VISA PROGRAM
TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT
TITLE V--PROMOTING CIRCULAR MIGRATION PATTERNS
TITLE VI--FAMILY UNITY AND BACKLOG REDUCTION
TITLE VII--H-5B NONIMMIGRANTS
TITLE VIII--PROTECTION AGAINST IMMIGRATION FRAUD
TITLE IX--CIVICS INTEGRATION
TITLE X--PROMOTING ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE
TITLE XI--MISCELLANEOUS
TITLE I--BORDER SECURITY
Subtitle A--Border Security Strategic Planning
Page: S1090
Subtitle B--Border Infrastructure, Technology Integration, and Security...
Page: S1091
Subtitle C--International Border Enforcement
TITLE II--STATE CRIMINAL ALIEN ASSISTANCE
TITLE III--ESSENTIAL WORKER VISA PROGRAM
``ADMISSION OF TEMPORARY H-5A WORKERS
Page: S1092
Page: S1093
Page: S1094
Page: S1095
TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT
``EMPLOYMENT ELIGIBILITY
Page: S1096
Page: S1097
TITLE V--PROMOTING CIRCULAR MIGRATION PATTERNS
TITLE VI--FAMILY UNITY AND BACKLOG REDUCTION
Page: S1098
TITLE VII--Hÿ095B NONIMMIGRANTS
``H-5B NONIMMIGRANTS
Page: S1099
Page: S1100
``ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS OF FORMER H-5B NONIMMIGRANT TO THAT OF PERSON ADMITTED...
Page: S1101
TITLE VIII--PROTECTION AGAINST IMMIGRATION FRAUD
``RIGHT TO QUALIFIED REPRESENTATION IN IMMIGRATION MATTERS
Page: S1102
TITLE IX--CIVICS INTEGRATION
TITLE X--PROMOTING ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE
Page: S1103
TITLE XI--MISCELLANEOUS
Page: S1104
DIVISION B--IMMIGRATION REFORM
DIVISION B--IMMIGRATION REFORM
TITLE I--BORDER SECURITY
Subtitle A--Border Security Strategic Planning
Subtitle B--Border Infrastructure, Technology Integration, and Security...
Subtitle C--International Border Enforcement
TITLE II--STATE CRIMINAL ALIEN ASSISTANCE
Page: S1105
TITLE III--ESSENTIAL WORKER VISA PROGRAM
TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT
TITLE V--PROMOTING CIRCULAR MIGRATION PATTERNS
TITLE VI--FAMILY UNITY AND BACKLOG REDUCTION
TITLE VII--H-5B NONIMMIGRANTS
TITLE VIII--PROTECTION AGAINST IMMIGRATION FRAUD
TITLE IX--CIVICS INTEGRATION
TITLE X--PROMOTING ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE
TITLE XI--MISCELLANEOUS
TITLE I--BORDER SECURITY
Subtitle A--Border Security Strategic Planning
Page: S1106
Subtitle B--Border Infrastructure, Technology Integration, and Security...
Page: S1107
Subtitle C--International Border Enforcement
TITLE II--STATE CRIMINAL ALIEN ASSISTANCE
TITLE III--ESSENTIAL WORKER VISA PROGRAM
``ADMISSION OF TEMPORARY H-5A WORKERS
Page: S1108
Page: S1109
Page: S1110
Page: S1111
TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT
``EMPLOYMENT ELIGIBILITY
Page: S1112
Page: S1113
TITLE V--PROMOTING CIRCULAR MIGRATION PATTERNS
TITLE VI--FAMILY UNITY AND BACKLOG REDUCTION
Page: S1114
TITLE VII--Hÿ095B NONIMMIGRANTS
``H-5B NONIMMIGRANTS
Page: S1115
Page: S1116
``ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS OF FORMER H-5B NONIMMIGRANT TO THAT OF PERSON ADMITTED...
Page: S1117
TITLE VIII--PROTECTION AGAINST IMMIGRATION FRAUD
``RIGHT TO QUALIFIED REPRESENTATION IN IMMIGRATION MATTERS

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That's what's in the text that the Distinguished Gentleman from Massachusettes slipped into the now-misnamed Minimum Wage Bill. Each "Page:" reference is actually a hyperlink to pages from the Congressional rRecord, detailing all the amnesty stuff.

Back to the subject:

Kennedy knows that popular support for such a bill is nonexistent, even as support in the Senate is high. So he tried to slip it in under the public radar, in hopes that only the joint House-Senate committee would have to deal with it, with far less public notice than comes from open debate.

Repubs and Democrats alike have been supporting amnesty, in direct defiance of their constituents' desires. It's part of what cost the Republicans their majorities in 2006. I suppose I should be happy that the new Dem majorities are trying the same thing, even more disingenuously - it will help get them boot out as the Repubs just were. But granting amnesty to the 12-20 million illegals already here, is a very steep price to pay even for getign rid of socialist Democrats and Republicans from Congress. And the Presidency, if it comes to that.

[Seiblybiozy]

Repubs and Democrats alike have been supporting amnesty, in direct defiance of their constituents' desires. It's part of what cost the Republicans their majorities in 2006. I suppose I should be happy that the new Dem majorities are trying the same thing, even more disingenuously - it will help get them boot out as the Repubs just were. But granting amnesty to the 12-20 million illegals already here, is a very steep price to pay even for getign rid of socialist Democrats and Republicans from Congress. And the Presidency, if it comes to that.

I agree and thanks for posting the thread.

[annouhMus]

Can this guy get any slimier?

It's an odd sequence. The House of Representatives passed its minimum-wage bill on Jan. 10, 2007, called H.R.2. The bill had nothing to do with illegal aliens or amnsety. It then went to the Senate. It was scheduled for a vote on Feb. 1. Apparently, just before the vote, Teddy Kennedy slipped the entire text of his last-year's illegal alien amnesty bill into it. It was then passed 94-3 by a voice vote in the Senate, still titled the "Minimum Wage" bill.

I guess it now goes to a committee where they "iron out the differences" between what the House passed, and what the Senate just passed.

Anyone know how likely it is, that the committe will weed out Kennedy's little change? Or will they simply rubber-stamp it? Or...??

See Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) and click on "Amendments". Scroll down to S.A. 187 and click on it. BYO barf bag.

Any wonder why I am opposed to Kennedy???