[cokLoolioli]

Jviehe you strike me as someone who is really un-sympathetic to the collateral damage your current administration is causing to good people all over the world. I get the impression that you'd support rounding up every single muslim in America until the war on my balls is over. After all, they did it to themselves and your illusion of security far outweights any trampling of a muslim's rights. You need to wake up.

Not at all. Not all muslims are terrorists. But so far, all terrorists are muslims. The world is better off for the actions the US has taken, actions which have cost of millions of american lives, trillions of dollars, when we could have stood silent and let various evils take over the world. If lack of gratitude is the price we pay, then so be it. The US will NEVER abandon the world. I wish I could say the same for the reverse.

[Gedominew]

Canada has shown itself to be in the "against us" column in my mind. They will be treated as such until things change. You are either with us or against us. Economically we could easily survive without Canada. Im not sure Canada could say the same.

Oh lord I had hoped that by this time we would have gotten over all these stupid little catch phrases like bring it on, stay the course, and with us or against us. I guess some people will never learn.

[StitsVobsaith]

Oh lord I had hoped that by this time we would have gotten over all these stupid little catch phrases like bring it on, stay the course, and with us or against us. I guess some people will never learn.

Hush! Don't ruin his illusion of the world being only black and white...

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Hush! Don't ruin his illusion of the world being only black and white...

Yes we know europeans and canadians don't believe in "right" and "wrong" merely what's pc at the time. Of course we also know that the peaceful religion of islam isn't to blame for all of the actions of their followers

Varus

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Oh lord I had hoped that by this time we would have gotten over all these stupid little catch phrases like bring it on, stay the course, and with us or against us. I guess some people will never learn.

You mean like "Bush is a war criminal" or "no blood for oil" or my personal favorite "we support the troops but not the war"

No...whacked out liberals would never use catch phrases to convey a message

Varus

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Not at all. Not all muslims are terrorists. But so far, all terrorists are muslims. The world is better off for the actions the US has taken, actions which have cost of millions of american lives, trillions of dollars, when we could have stood silent and let various evils take over the world. If lack of gratitude is the price we pay, then so be it. The US will NEVER abandon the world. I wish I could say the same for the reverse.

Shhh if you keep saying that it's the muslims that are the terrorists some of these nitwits might actually start to believe it.

Varus

[StitsVobsaith]

Yes we know europeans and canadians don't believe in "right" and "wrong" merely what's pc at the time. Of course we also know that the peaceful religion of islam isn't to blame for all of the actions of their followers

Varus

Oh, I believe in right and wrong, sure, apparently more than some here. See, the right thing to do would be to say "We've screwed up, sorry for shipping you off to your holiday resort in Syria"... but apparently, according to you, the US is incapable of ever making a mistake.

And yes, the guy was a muslim. Does that automatically make him a terrorist? Apparently it was totally ok to ship him to Syria on that accord... I wonder what your response would have been if the situation was reversed and Canada had send a white, christian guy from Texas the same way?

[ahagotyou]

Well gee, he was tortured as a direct result of US action.

Actually if he was tortured in Syria it was a direct result of Syrian actions.

The really significant thing about this thread is...


...There isn't a single fucking post in this thread that condemns Syria.

Nope, its just blame the USA for the way Syria treats it's citizens. Welcome back to the leftoland socialist paradise of Syria, Mr. Arar.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Actually if he was tortured in Syria it was a direct result of Syrian actions.

The really significant thing about this thread is...


...There isn't a single fucking post in this thread that condemns Syria.

Nope, its just blame the USA for the way Syria treats it's citizens. Welcome back to the leftoland socialist paradise of Syria, Mr. Arar.

You sound surprised...Most of the liberals on this site absolutely hate america with a passion I'll never understand. Regardless of what americans do it's always wrong and evil.

Varus

[StitsVobsaith]

You sound surprised...Most of the liberals on this site absolutely hate america with a passion I'll never understand. Regardless of what americans do it's always wrong and evil.

Varus

Well, America is not without blame. It was the Administration (or whatever government authority it was), who handed the guy over to Syria, a country who is supposedly a member of the "Axis of Evil"... apparently that's no hindrance in working with them, I see.

And I don't think it's about "hating America" (at least, not for me). It's about expecting more from a Democratic and civilized country, to actually uphold it own laws and not bypass them by shipping people off to cruel and brutal dictatorships like Syria. It's wrong of Syria, sure, but it's more to be expected of them to do this kind of thing, than it is of the US.

[ahagotyou]

Well, America is not without blame. It was the Administration (or whatever government authority it was), who handed the guy over to Syria, a country who is supposedly a member of the "Axis of Evil"... apparently that's no hindrance in working with them, I see.

And I don't think it's about "hating America" (at least, not for me). It's about expecting more from a Democratic and civilized country, to actually uphold it own laws and not bypass them by shipping people off to cruel and brutal dictatorships like Syria.

What specific law do you think was "bypassed" by the US?

[StitsVobsaith]

What specific law do you think was "bypassed" by the US?

Well, I'm no legal expert either in Danish or American law, but I don't think there's any legal precedence about torturing people (which I'm pretty sure they do in Syria, although some people on here makes it sound like Syria apparently aren't that cruel a country anymore). Furthermore I also think it's pretty much against the law to extradite a person to another country, a country with which you got no agreements or treaties about extraditions, especially seeing as he had no trial or nothing.

Last, the guy is neither an American, nor a Syrian citizen, so I fail to see what legal jurisdiction they have over the guy. Had he been caught redhanded on a battlefield fighting troops, then the US would have a say. All they had here was hearsay and they should have coordinated it with Canadian authorities. But apparently the rule of law isn't something that concerns certain rightwingers on here.

But come on, you can start your "You obviously hate America" speeches now

[ahagotyou]

Last, the guy is neither an American, nor a Syrian citizen,

Can you back up your claim that he wasn't a Syrian citizen?

From what I've heard he is a Syrian draft dodger that went to Canada.

He was born in Syria.

I mean I reealize that life is very hard for people in leftolands like Syria, I know a very successful business lady who escaped from Syria very intimately.

She won't even talk about the horrors in that leftoland. She says it hurts her to even think about it and she gets angry and screams that they are "terrible people, horrible beyond what you can imagine" if I even mention Syria.

It's something that she wants to forget. She is an American now.

[cokLoolioli]

Shhh if you keep saying that it's the muslims that are the terrorists some of these nitwits might actually start to believe it.

Varus

I didnt say that. I said terrorists were muslims.

[cokLoolioli]

Well, America is not without blame. It was the Administration (or whatever government authority it was), who handed the guy over to Syria, a country who is supposedly a member of the "Axis of Evil"... apparently that's no hindrance in working with them, I see.

And I don't think it's about "hating America" (at least, not for me). It's about expecting more from a Democratic and civilized country, to actually uphold it own laws and not bypass them by shipping people off to cruel and brutal dictatorships like Syria. It's wrong of Syria, sure, but it's more to be expected of them to do this kind of thing, than it is of the US.

The "axis of evil" was Iran, Iraq, North Korea. Bush never included Syria, although maybe they should be.

[cokLoolioli]

Can you back up your claim that he wasn't a Syrian citizen?

From what I've heard he is a Syrian draft dodger that went to Canada.

He was born in Syria.

According to the article he was born in Syria, and thus a Syrian citzen. He also has dual citizenship with Canada. Perhaps someone could some up with some information from the US as to why he deported to Syria, rather than Canada. I assume Canada was consulted as to what to do with him when they told the US that he was under suspicion.

[WaydayTew]

Can you back up your claim that he wasn't a Syrian citizen?

From what I've heard he is a Syrian draft dodger that went to Canada.

He was born in Syria.

I mean I reealize that life is very hard for people in leftolands like Syria, I even know a very successful business lady from Syria.

She won't even talk about the horrors in that leftoland. She says it hurts her to even think about it and she gets angry and screams that they are "terrible people, horrible beyond what you can imagine" if you even mention Syria.

come on now. last time i heard the US doesn't detain and interrogate people for draft dodging the syrian military. and there's never been any mention by syrian authorities of being charged with any crime whatsoever. if he was avoiding compulsory military service, that is a crime, and surely they would have charged him. why no mention of any criminal actions by him whatsoever?

[StitsVobsaith]

come on now. last time i heard the US doesn't detain and interrogate people for draft dodging the syrian military. and there's never been any mention by syrian authorities of being charged with any crime whatsoever. if he was avoiding compulsory military service, that is a crime, and surely they would have charged him. why no mention of any criminal actions by him whatsoever?

And if he escaped/fleed Syria, isn't he actually one of the good guys? Isn't that something we should acknowledge and condone, that he actually had the guts to get away from one of the more brutal regimes on this planet? You know, instead of sending him back without any legal proceedings, because his name was on a list?

I have no problem with watchlists and such, but the people behind have to be very careful that no mistake like this is made. Otherwise it will totally undermine the population's trust in the fairness and effectiveness of the system in place. Besides, if all they go by is the name (I don't know how it's done)... well, many people are shit out of luck the day Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones are on those lists!