[ElcinBoris]

So, their agenda was actually just to pass legislation in the house, not to actually get it into law? Looks like its the House that is making noise. You might remember that when the Republicans did the same thing in 1994, they actually gave the Dems a say, and even got Clinton to sign it. Time will tell how much of a failure and show the 6 in 06 was.

When the Republicans set up the Contract With America, all they said was, we will get the following issues out of the House committees the Dems have kept them bottled up in, and bring them to the House floor for a vote.

The Repubs pointed out that they could not guarantee the outcome of the vote. And they certainly could not guarantee, for the ones that passed in the House, whether the Senate would pass any of them Contract with America was strictly a House program. And they obviously could not guarantee the President (Clinton() would sign anything. They pointed all this out.

As it turned out, they brought 100% of those bills to the House floor and voted on them, as promised. The Contract with America was fulfilled at that point.

As I recall, all but one measure was passed by the House, going far beyond what the Contract promised.

A majority of the bills were also passed by the Senate, going even further beyond.

And Clinton even signed some of them.

But the initial promise by the Republicans, was only that they'd be voted on.

[DoctorDeryOne]

How? Which ones?


I'm going to take a wild guess and bet you're thinking of the minimum wage issue. I've yet to see anything that indicates that the bill (assuming it becomes law) would do anything to harm the U.S..

That's right, the minimum wage. It is basically a bill that let's the government decide what agreements the employee and employer can and cannot make, even those the government won't have to work or be employed under those conditions. I have a question, why shouldn't we allow the employee and employer come to the agreement? Aren't they the ones working and paying?

[Gedominew]

Government is supposed to be a very general tool to ensure that people remain free and safe. Government is not our mommy and daddy to shelter us and give us all we could ever desire. Just remember; the price of more government involvement is our very freedom.

[Wrasialat]

Government is supposed to be a very general tool to ensure that people remain free and safe. Government is not our mommy and daddy to shelter us and give us all we could ever desire. Just remember; the price of more government involvement is our very freedom.

Sorry sir, but The Patriot Act and Unwarranted Wire Taps are not the subject of this thread.

[annouhMus]

Sorry sir, but The Patriot Act and Unwarranted Wire Taps are not the subject of this thread.

Then why, Pray tell, did you bring them up????

[Inettypofonee]

CF, what have they pledged to do about your nemesis, the Chemtrails over Phoenix and the Intentional Demolition of the World Trade Center? Are they going to expose these dastardly conspiracies, or are they going to ignore them and become just like Republicans?

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Its simple logic. If you increase the wages of a business, you increase its costs. It either accepts the cost increase, hurting its profits, or cuts costs, hurting quality, staff, or the consumer, through firings ro price rasies. Furthermore, a wage increase at the low end inflates costs all the way up the chain, making it worse.

Liberals don't understand the concept of a capitalist based economy. They really do think money grows on trees and the evil wealthy are the only ones who have access to these trees. If the min wage increase is passed into law watch how economy reacts. Look for an increase in unemployment and look for small businesses to decline. You just can't force businesses to pay someone more than they're worth and not have any repercussions.

The best case scenario is that since very few people make mimimum wage, it will have no effect, so whats the point? There are currently 4 million jobs unfilled in this country, nearly all paying more than minimum wage. As the minimum wage increases don't you think those that are making a bit more than the minimum wage are going to want an increase as well?

Varus

[annouhMus]

Liberals don't understand the concept of a capitalist based economy. They really do think money grows on trees and the evil wealthy are the only ones who have access to these trees. If the min wage increase is passed into law watch how economy reacts. Look for an increase in unemployment and look for small businesses to decline. You just can't force businesses to pay someone more than they're worth and not have any repercussions.



As the minimum wage increases don't you think those that are making a bit more than the minimum wage are going to want an increase as well?

Varus

And I just betcha you will blame the expected loss of jobs (due to the cirtus losses) on the change of minimum wage too. Right???

[DoctoBuntonTen]

And I just betcha you will blame the expected loss of jobs (due to the cirtus losses) on the change of minimum wage too. Right???

Not at all; what we will witness is a dramatic decline in small businesses if this min wage increase is passed into law.

Varus

[casinobonusa]

Bull. As I have mentioned before, states that pay above minimum wage show that small business is better.

[alias]

Bull. As I have mentioned before, states that pay above minimum wage show that small business is better.

Would you support a tax cut for the small business owners in order to offset the cost of the un-necessary minimum wage hike?

[cokLoolioli]

Bull. As I have mentioned before, states that pay above minimum wage show that small business is better.

How is that a correlation?

[annouhMus]

Would you support a tax cut for the small business owners in order to offset the cost of the un-necessary minimum wage hike?

not even to offset the cost of the "necessary"minimum wage hike..

[alias]

not even to offset the cost of the "necessary"minimum wage hike..

Typical Liberal, always wanting to hurt businesses. How is the minimum wage hike "necessary" as you put it? Oh wait, it will destroy small businesses, and further promote the Liberal socialist agenda. Never mind, I've got it now!

[casinobonusa]

What I don't get is... if people redicule workers not getting enough wages, then why do they not ridicule businesses when it's time for them to start paying up too? Isn't it the same consquences if someone decides to own a business as it is for a worker to not desire to own a business? These people CHOOSE (as Alex puts it) their actions - so, shouldn't both sides face a consequence of that action? "well, sorry, but you wanted to run a business -too bad". I never hear anyone say that.

[cokLoolioli]

What I don't get is... if people redicule workers not getting enough wages, then why do they not ridicule businesses when it's time for them to start paying up too? Isn't it the same consquences if someone decides to own a business as it is for a worker to not desire to own a business? These people CHOOSE (as Alex puts it) their actions - so, shouldn't both sides face a consequence of that action? "well, sorry, but you wanted to run a business -too bad". I never hear anyone say that.

Because the role of a biz is to make as much money as possible, not to employ as many people at as high a wage as possible. But businesses are forced to pay certain wages. People are not forced to take jobs. What if we required everyone who didnt have a job to take whatever job was available? That, to me, is the same as forcing businesses to pay something specific, with no thought to what the market bears.

[annouhMus]

Typical Liberal, always wanting to hurt businesses. How is the minimum wage hike "necessary" as you put it? Oh wait, it will destroy small businesses, and further promote the Liberal socialist agenda. Never mind, I've got it now!

i personally don't think you would GET it, if someone stuffed it down your gullet.

[annouhMus]

Because the role of a biz is to make as much money as possible, not to employ as many people at as high a wage as possible. But businesses are forced to pay certain wages. People are not forced to take jobs. What if we required everyone who didnt have a job to take whatever job was available? That, to me, is the same as forcing businesses to pay something specific, with no thought to what the market bears.

A very odd way of putting it, but I guess that is what you really beleive.

[alias]

i personally don't think you would GET it, if someone stuffed it down your gullet.

Well, if I don't get it, why don't you explain it to me? You can't, can you?

[annouhMus]

Well, if I don't get it, why don't you explain it to me? You can't, can you?

I can, but you simply wouldn't understand. In a nut shell. No business would suffer "IF" they were smart enough to take the proper steps. An extra two dllars per employee can be accomplished if the company doesn't try to raise their prices by ten dollars as a result. Unfortunately that's what happens.