[alex_loudermilk]

You really need to stop drinking the Kool Aid.

Kool aid is Good... You need to stop drinking this

[annouhMus]

Strange that all these recent alerts are coming from England. Perhaps they feel left out???

[OpVJokl8]

In other news, thousands of Americans from the peaceful christian democratic country of the USA committed an appalling catalogue of crimes against each other in the past year. Ranging from petty thefts to outright murder.

Obviously these people represent the true face of christianity....or maybe they don't, which might mean that not all muslims are complete nutters either.

I think we're quite capable of invoking our own hysteria over here in the UK without outside help.

Your analogy is poor. The petty theft and murders committed by thousands of Americans who may or may not be Christians were not done in the name of God so their religion, if they even have one, is completely irrelevant. The acts committed by terrorists are done in the name of their religion and they are all practicioners of Islam.

I understand what you are trying to say, but it was a broken example and really doesn't fit.

[OpVJokl8]

This is the way the war on terror is meant to be fought. Not by destroying whole countries as we have done in Iraq (where there weren't any terrorists to begin with even!).

The whole country of Iraq was destroyed? Damn, that's a major piece of news that slipped passed me over the last four years.

I assume you can provide proof that there were no terrorists in Iraq before the U.S. invaded, right?

[OpVJokl8]

Strange that all these recent alerts are coming from England. Perhaps they feel left out???

Or maybe this stuff actually happened........

[Seiblybiozy]

This is the way the war on terror is meant to be fought.

I agree, we should mount thousands of cameras and higher hundreds of people to monitor those cameras in every major U.S. city.

[kylsq0Ln]

Or maybe this stuff actually happened........

That remains to be seen. The UK has seen many of these raids but do you remember hearing about a trial ? I don't think so.
This is the leadership of the country that knowingly put these innocents away for 17 years : Birmingham Six - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and these four for 15 years : Guildford Four - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and these seven for about the same period : Maguire Seven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So when one has only the UK police's version, there's no reason to believe a word of it.

[PypeMaypetasy]

Even if it kills one 'suspected terrorist', along with 20 other innocent women and children? That is indefensible.

Andrew

only you put 20 civilians under every US bomb dropped andrew

fact is that isnt the case even if it fits your agenda andrew

if the bomb lands on the terrrorist and kills a cell would you still think it was wrong andrew? how about if it wasnt dropped from a USA plane...say anyother country in the world......how about france?

[alex_loudermilk]

This is why we need the patroit act and wiretapping to go with it.The only way we can stop terrorist acts in our homeland is listing to cell phones reading other peoples e-mails cause terrorist is using cell phones and e-mail to know when Bin Laden says to carry out the attacks.This is exactly what happend on 9-11 terrorist were communcating though the hotel phone and Al Queda called them and gave them codes on attacking the WTC.I disagree we should do it by the consitution by getting a warrent to investigate.The Consitution only applies to US citizens not to forgeiners.If you do it by the consitution then it takes time for paperwork and all that crap before you can arrest someone.By that time it might be too late.Thats why the brits were able catch these terrorist cause they do wiretapping and they trace everyones e-mails cause the brits dont have a consitution.And its bullshit forgeiners must get a lawyer and be tried in civil courts.Im 100% Behind Gitmo bay system and a military tribune.With If we tried the nazis in US Civil Courts instead in Nuremberg? I gurantee you Judges would give the nazis an ordinary deportation.

[JTS_tv]

This is why we need the patroit act and wiretapping to go with it.The only way we can stop terrorist acts in our homeland is listing to cell phones reading other peoples e-mails cause terrorist is using cell phones and e-mail to know when Bin Laden says to carry out the attacks.This is exactly what happend on 9-11 terrorist were communcating though the hotel phone and Al Queda called them and gave them codes on attacking the WTC.I disagree we should do it by the consitution by getting a warrent to investigate.The Consitution only applies to US citizens not to forgeiners.If you do it by the consitution then it takes time for paperwork and all that crap before you can arrest someone.By that time it might be too late.Thats why the brits were able catch these terrorist cause they do wiretapping and they trace everyones e-mails cause the brits dont have a consitution.And its bullshit forgeiners must get a lawyer and be tried in civil courts.Im 100% Behind Gitmo bay system and a military tribune.With If we tried the nazis in US Civil Courts instead in Nuremberg? I gurantee you Judges would give the nazis an ordinary deportation.

You can guarantee that? How, exactly? Because of your traffic ticket and the sheriff you don't like?

Say, how would you feel about Guantanamo if YOU were there? No charges. No outside contact. Just a sneaking suspicion that you're dangerous. You'd be OK with that?

Oh, and if you hate the Constitution so much, why do you live here?

[alex_loudermilk]

In America we have the right to agree and disagree. And i dont agree with parts of the the consitution. And were at war!! The Germans didnt give P.O.W rights.The Koreans didnt give P.O.W rights. The Japanese didnt give P.O.W rights. and The Vietnamese didnt give P.O.W rights just ask John McCain.

[JTS_tv]

The Germans didn't give P.O.W. rights? Are you sure about that?

Oh, and with whom are we at war? I want specifics.

Oh, and, yes, you can disagree with the constitution. You're free to disagree with America and what it stands for. I just wonder why you'd stay here when you dislike it so much.

[alex_loudermilk]

The Germans didn't give P.O.W. rights? Are you sure about that?

Yes,,Go rent stalog 17

Oh, and with whom are we at war? I want specifics. Against terrorist

Oh, and, yes, you can disagree with the constitution. You're free to disagree with America and what it stands for. I just wonder why you'd stay here when you dislike it so much. No Money. If yall give me $5,000,000 ill be in saudi arabia in a heartbeat.

[Nurse_sero]

The British do have a constitution, it's just not written down in one place like the US one.

They can wiretap if the law allows it. Of course they wiretap if the law doesn't allow it too but the evidence might not be admitted in a criminal trial and if they were found out illegally carrying out wiretapping there would be a problem for whoever was doing it plus anyone who authorised or knew about it.

Now WarOnIgnorance - you're stretching a long bow. Some cases, especially against the IRA and other Northern Ireland terrorist groups, were fit-ups. And there was some spectacular illegality (allegedly) by the RUC according to a recent report by the NI Ombudsman (I think that was the office which produced it). BUT you cited three examples. Three. I don't think you can validly generalise from three cases.

[JTS_tv]

Yes,,Go rent stalog 17

I assume you're talking about this:

Stalag 17 (1953)

A 1953 drama about intrigue in a Nazi POW camp. What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Once again, since you can't seem to get it:

MOVIES ARE NOT REAL. TELEVISION IS NOT REAL

Against terrorist Ok, so who are the "terrorists?" How would I know one if I found one? How would I know when the war against this nation of terror is over? Who surrenders for them?

No Money. If yall give me $5,000,000 ill be in saudi arabia in a heartbeat. And what would you do in Saudi Arabia, assuming they'd let an infidel in?

[Jeffery]

Surely, we can expect condemnation of beheading by mainstream Muslim clerics, can't we?

My god, they've condemned it again and again. What the hell is wrong with you, I don't demand that you continuously apologize for the KKK because you're white, or do you walk down the street and when you see an Irish person accost them for not having sufficiently condemned the IRA?

Your analogy is poor. The petty theft and murders committed by thousands of Americans who may or may not be Christians were not done in the name of God so their religion, if they even have one, is completely irrelevant. The acts committed by terrorists are done in the name of their religion and they are all practicioners of Islam.

Then you had better start condemning the KKK, abortion clinic bombings, those Mormons who marry 12 year olds, the kids at 'Jesus Camp', Jerry Falwell, hell there are all kinds of people I can pigeonhole you with.

In fact anyone you do not spend every waking moment condemning who shares at least one quality with you regardless of what that characteristic is, I'm going to assume that you support them, and are going to do the exact same things as them. There have been condemnations, thousands of them, but that doesn't fit your racist agenda so you ignore them.

And no I'm not going to provide a link, type it into Google yourself, theres more then a million hits surely you can pick one and read it.

[ANCETPYNCTEXT]

No more baiting and no more off-topic posts in this thread, please!

Thank you.