[Thifiadardivy]

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but what logic is there in firing a BB gun at a kid? LOL. Not saying there should be a law against it, but that's certainly the last thing I'd do, heheh.

[Eromereorybig]

I love the blatant obfuscation going on, by the way, with "hitting" and "spanking".

Like I said, the difference in terms is determined by who is doing the smacking and who is getting smacked.

If it's adult to adult, the law gets involved and one or both adults go to jail.

If's it's child to adult, the child gets punished.

If it's adult to child, folks on this board are all for it!

[roundman]

This is completely ridiculous. On the other, what do you think about this:



This was stupid, but I understand the guy's logic. I BB is unlikely to penetrate, but it smarts like heck. Sad thing is he may lose his kids and spend 30 years in prison for this.

The kid was only four years old, too young to understand exactly what he did. This would be different if it was say an 8 or 9 year old kid. The kid was too young to understand why something like a BB gun can be dangerous, but the father should have shown him that what he did was wrong even though he couldn't comprehend it yet. That is what a spanking is for.

And why the hell would a father give a child access to any gun, even a BB gun if he didn't first teach the child firearm safety?

[Eromereorybig]

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but what logic is there in firing a BB gun at a kid? LOL. Not saying there should be a law against it, but that's certainly the last thing I'd do, heheh.

There shouldn't be a law against an adult firing a BB gun at a kid?

Is this another "freedom" you are afraid to lose?

I am pretty shocked at the way this thread is going. I'm the only one here trying to defend kids from violence.

Amazing.

[Thifiadardivy]

you call the right to smack children a freedom?

Wowieee!

Child abuse and spanking for punishment are two easily distinguishable things if you know all of the facts and see what happens. However, I fail to see how that difference is the business of the government in really any case. If it is 'beating' or abuse that is going on frequently, then I'm sure that it will make it's way to finding light to be reported (to be prosecuted under laws for abuse - which we already have.)

Nothing wrong with spanking, really. Rarely is a kid spanked without proper explanation of why it was done in regards to his actions. That way, the child knows what he/she did wrong. Now, whether the adolescent doesn't like the explanation or wants to throw a fit is another subject altogether.

Just another excuse for more laws, more laws, more laws in my opinion. I say leave the parenting to parents.

[roundman]

Like I said, the difference in terms is determined by who is doing the smacking and who is getting smacked.

If it's adult to adult, the law gets involved and one or both adults go to jail.

If's it's child to adult, the child gets punished.

If it's adult to child, folks on this board are all for it!

You are trying to compare behavior modification techniques to assault and that is not accurate.

[defenderfors]

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but what logic is there in firing a BB gun at a kid? LOL. Not saying there should be a law against it, but that's certainly the last thing I'd do, heheh.

I totally agree. I use a taser on my kids.

[Wdlglivi]

This is completely ridiculous. On the other, what do you think about this:



This was stupid, but I understand the guy's logic. I BB is unlikely to penetrate, but it smarts like heck. Sad thing is he may lose his kids and spend 30 years in prison for this.

Ouch, sad story. This story proves that we already have sufficient laws in place to protect children and this no-spank law is not at all necessary.

[ClorrerVeks]

Like I said, the difference in terms is determined by who is doing the smacking and who is getting smacked.

If it's adult to adult, the law gets involved and one or both adults go to jail.

If's it's child to adult, the child gets punished.

If it's adult to child, folks on this board are all for it!

Yeah Yeah, we get it, your against allowing parents the right to discipline their children the way they see fit (despite the fact that this method has been used successfully for centuries).

[Eromereorybig]

You are trying to compare behavior modification techniques to assault and that is not accurate.

This thread is about a law designed to stop people from smacking babies 3 and under.

We also have a story about a man who shot a 4 year old with a BB gun.

Smacking babies and shooting toddlers with BB guns is abuse.

IMHO.

[Thifiadardivy]

Agreed with mpd. Two people getting into a brawl is different from behavior modification in raising a kid. Not be a nasty here but it's hard to carry the discussion far with someone who can not note the difference.

[Eromereorybig]

Agreed with mpd. Two people getting into a brawl is different from behavior modification in raising a kid. Not be a nasty here but it's hard to carry the discussion far with someone who can not note the difference.

Behavior modification eh? How do you think spanking a 9 month old moderates his/her behavior? If the baby's diaper is wet or the baby is hungry or in pain, will the spanking modify his crying? Please....you don't have to hit children to modify their behaviour.

[Thifiadardivy]

This thread is about a law designed to stop people from smacking babies 3 and under.

We also have a story about a man who shot a 4 year old with a BB gun.

Smacking babies and shooting toddlers with BB guns is abuse.

IMHO.

From earlier, no I'm not defending anyone shooting kids with BB guns. Nor am I advocating a "freedom" for beating babies. As conformfailue pointed out, there are laws that handle things like child abuse and such things and they obviously have swiftly taken care of such actions. If a baby is being "beaten" or "abused" then there will be ways to prove such actions were different from behavior modification and it will be taken care of. More laws, more laws, more laws into other peoples lives is unecessary.

Seldom is it the case that a parent beats the kid for crying for hunger or diaper wetting, so I don't really know why you think this comprises the majority of behavior modification actions.

[roundman]

Behavior modification eh? How do you think spanking a 9 month old moderates his/her behavior? If the baby's diaper is wet or the baby is hungry or in pain, will the spanking modify his crying? Please....you don't have to hit children to modify their behaviour.

You have no idea what spankings are used for do you?

[Thifiadardivy]

Exactly. I'd like one case presented to me to demonstrate a "massive use" of spankings to stop children from crying of hunger or a wet diaper and how these actions constitute the passing of such a bill being proposed.

The more laws we pass on simple, little, insignificant things that are best dealt with through existing laws and societal changes itself... the less freedoms we have and the more doors we open to have even more laws passed and even less freedoms. Conformfailure's opening post is the most succint yet full of common sense put forth so far.

[Usogwdkb]

Behavior modification eh? How do you think spanking a 9 month old moderates his/her behavior? If the baby's diaper is wet or the baby is hungry or in pain, will the spanking modify his crying? Please....you don't have to hit children to modify their behaviour.

I don't think any of us are talking about spanking a 9 month old baby. However, I see nothing wrong with popping (not hard, just enough to get their attention) the hand at about a year old. It didn't harm my kids.

[Eromereorybig]

I don't think any of us are talking about spanking a 9 month old baby. However, I see nothing wrong with popping (not hard, just enough to get their attention) the hand at about a year old. It didn't harm my kids.

This law is clearly about spanking babies from 0 to 3 years old Mrs M.

I don't know how you determine the difference between popping and smacking and spanking, but I think a loud, firm NO! would suffice between the ages of newborn and 3.

[Eromereorybig]

You have no idea what spankings are used for do you?

I think they are mostly used for relieving a frustrated parent.

[Eromereorybig]

Seldom is it the case that a parent beats the kid for crying for hunger or diaper wetting, so I don't really know why you think this comprises the majority of behavior modification actions.

Since this is a thread about a law that deals with spanking newborns to three year olds, hunger and diaper wetting is pretty much why babies that age cry. I don't see the need to hit babies from 0 to 3.

[Eromereorybig]

Behaviour moderation...

If you have a baby between 0 and 3 who is touching things in the house that he shouldn't be touching, you don't smack them for it, you remove those things from reach. Other than that, what is a baby doing wrong that he needs to be spanked for?