[enentique]

Saw a cartoon a while back (don't you love those solid legal references?) where a fast-food manager is talking to five or six of his crew. He says:

"I have good news, and I have bad news.

"The good news is, a new Federal law says I have to pay you more.

"The bad news is, I can't afford that, so two of you are fired."

.

[DoctorIrokezov]

How unrealistic is that?

What a load of B.S.!

Talk about partisanship!

That borders on hate speech!

The new law absolutely Will Not have that kind of negative impact on the less fortunate it was designed to help!

He'd only have to fire one of them.

[Zvssxstw]

Has any one done a cartoon that would have a person saying "why should I work harder to get a pay increase when the government will give me one?"

If one does not like the pay one is getting then get a different job or more education to get a better job.

And then there is the American public that will not pay a fair price for goods or services.. they wish to pay wholesale... now faced with that what is a business to do? to keep prices down they will buy cheaper goods and pay lower wages.... and the customer buys.....and then we all cry about the low wages and jobs going over seas.......

[cokLoolioli]

Saw a cartoon a while back (don't you love those solid legal references?) where a fast-food manager is talking to five or six of his crew. He says:

"I have good news, and I have bad news.

"The good news is, a new Federal law says I have to pay you more.

"The bad news is, I can't afford that, so two of you are fired."

.

There is a thread on this already, and in any case your thread belongs in the "just for fun" section.

[StethyEntinic]

If one does not like the pay one is getting then get a different job or more education to get a better job. This still doesn't get rid of minimum wage jobs. As long as businesses pay under the poverty line, then you pay. Sorry...

[rbVmVlQ2]

As you have repeated yourself, I will repeat myself:

Nobody actually lives off of minimum wage.

[StethyEntinic]

I would like to request information on tha please

[rbVmVlQ2]

No problem, I guess you missed it in the 'Minimum Wage Facts' thread:

The child tax credit is a refundable credit, allowing a tax refund greater than taxes paid in, as is the earned income credit. A single or head of household person making just over $10/hr with two children will most likely have a negative gross income tax due. For others who still have a zero or small positive tax due, they often still recieve payments in kind (housing, food stamps, welfare, etc) that make them an explicit consumer of tax monies without having to include obscure benefits like police, fire protection, roads, etc.

[rbVmVlQ2]

Along with that, minimum wage is not a steady, lifelong wage. Businesses use it as entry-level pay. If you raise it, either the poverty line will rise, or inflation will adjust so as to keep minimum wage entry level pay. It doesn't end. Now my pay will mean less, or I will simply lose my job.

[Asianunta]

What I never understood is why a business that can't even make enough money to pay it's employees that much is really worth existing. At my reastaurant I already pay dishwashers above $7.25 in a part of the country that has a very low cost of living. I couldn't imagine what kind of business simply can't cover that. I have been through the debate about minimum wage so much on this site that I don't really feel like going through the motions again. I just wonder what business has trouble meeting anything above $5.15. Even if you think the $2.10 increase is too much I still think that $5.15 is amazingly low for any business venture to not be able to go beyond.

[DoctorDeryOne]

The problem with minimum wage is simply that it orevents private institutions AND their employees from deciding upon certain terms. Basically, the government is trying to be the third party that thinks it has a better idea of what is fair and what is not than the two parties (employee and employer) who are actually making the deal and will live with it. How can anyone think this is a good idea?

[StethyEntinic]

Minimum wage is still not enough. Business are lucky they don't have to pay more than they will be. There are states out there who pay below federal minimum wage, you know.

[rbVmVlQ2]

Do you think that completely ignoring anything I say will allow you to keep your credibility. Maybe I just won't respond to any of your posts, as you have ignored mine.

[rbVmVlQ2]

Partofme

If you raise it, either the poverty line will rise, or inflation will adjust so as to keep minimum wage entry level pay. It doesn't end. Now my pay will mean less, or I will simply lose my job.

[Asianunta]

AndyM

That didn't really answer my question.

[StethyEntinic]

Do you think that completely ignoring anything I say will allow you to keep your credibility. Maybe I just won't respond to any of your posts, as you have ignored mine.

Another impatient customer I see. Man you guys are too much.

I asked for information to support your claim that minimum wage workers don't actually live off of minimum wage. I see plenty of them working 60-80 hours a week or working two jobs.

[Peterli]

I asked for information to support your claim that minimum wage workers don't actually live off of minimum wage. I see plenty of them working 60-80 hours a week or working two jobs.

Someone working 60-80 hours per week would not be earning straight minimum wage.

[rbVmVlQ2]

Workers will want more because everyone wants to advance past minimum wage. The people, as a whole, see minimum wage as an entry-level payrate and rightly so. Maybe your business will reflect that in the coming months...

IronMaiden

And I answered! They actually receive extra taxes to supplant their minimum/low wages! Other information from that very thread gives percentages of the population that actually works for minimum wage. Along with other arguments that state that minimum wage is only used as an entry-level pay, and is not consistent, I would say I have answered your inquiry. However, if you still feel like you've received the short end of the stick, check this out.

[Asianunta]

Workers will want more because everyone wants to advance past minimum wage. The people, as a whole, see minimum wage as an entry-level payrate and rightly so. Maybe your business will reflect that in the coming months...

I'll actually give some of my employees a raise. I may raise prices on a few items but not a lot and not on everything

[Peterli]

What I never understood is why a business that can't even make enough money to pay it's employees that much is really worth existing. At my reastaurant I already pay dishwashers above $7.25 in a part of the country that has a very low cost of living. I couldn't imagine what kind of business simply can't cover that. I have been through the debate about minimum wage so much on this site that I don't really feel like going through the motions again. I just wonder what business has trouble meeting anything above $5.15. Even if you think the $2.10 increase is too much I still think that $5.15 is amazingly low for any business venture to not be able to go beyond.

It isn't really a matter of how profitable the business is, but rather how much the labor is worth. To use a facile example, if you have a guy at your restaurant that cleans the bathrooms once per day, and you pay him $7.00 per hour, you might be happy with that. Now, if another guy walks in and wants to do that job as well and earn $7.00 per hour, you would have no use for him. You probably couldn't use him for minimum wage, either. But, if the guy said he'd work for a nickel per hour (and you put aside any moral reservations about paying that amount), you'd probably say "sure, what the hell, grab a mop."