[annouhMus]

[QUOTE=hairballxavier;888288



I broke alot of laws in my younger wilder days because I got caught up in that whole drugs and gangs thing. For a while there I was in and out of jail alot.


QUOTE] This is the only part of your whole post that I beleive. If I had a record of all the stuff you have said you did, I could write a book. -- Fiction of course

[annouhMus]

The simple fact is the liberals are afraid this military action will meet with complete success and they've been against it every step of the way.

It's f*cked up that we have to fight with half of our own country to defeat a known threat because they're afraid it'll make Bush look good.

Varus

I think that if you really believe that, you are the one which is truely delusional

[Gedominew]

Well I did not listen to the man speak. I have read the transcript of the speech. So basically once again we are going to be sending more troops in response to something that has happened. Seems to me we have done this before and the fact that we have to do it again hardly speaks well of its success.

Lets face it Bush is in over his head at this point. We were staying the course then we weren't. He looked into Malaki's eyes and saw someone who had the determination to succeedd right before Malaki made public he wished he had never taken the job. Well on that score I am not supprised because he also looked in Putins eyes and we can all see where that has led. The guy needs glasses at the very least.

This is not a strategy for success, this is a strategy, dare we say it, to stay the course, or if you prefer not to use that phrase a strategy for more of the same.

[DrCeshing]

I listened to Bush last night, and I started to get offended by how shamelessly pathetic he's getting. Did you notice the tone of his speech? He wasn't taking any responsibility for his actions, instead, he seemed to be offering his new so-called plan as a response to some other president who started this war.

I think sending 20,000 more troops into Iraq(not all at once mind you, some here and some there over the course of the next few months) is like giving a homeless person a quarter. Some conservatives on this site have said that the experts ought to have the say on this matter, but Bush is ignoring all the experts.

Is he doing this so that he can blame the congress for not being tough on terrorism? Who knows. I sincerely believe that the president is seriously misguided, that he sits there with his posse and is actually convinced that this "surge" in troops is going to get us over the hump in Iraq. The only thing left to do now is to have a few strong Democrats come out and offer their plan on what they would do, because we all know that the president's just dragging his feet while brave Americans are dying.

[StethyEntinic]

I want Bush to make a public speech with questions thrown at him left and right from angry Americans until he starts to bawl like a baby and sucks his thumb and cries for Rove.

[DrCeshing]

I want someone to impeach him. He's holding the gov't hostage now. Republicans and Democrats agree that his plan sucks, and yet the whole day today has been wasted by his failings and stubbornness. Chuck Hagel, bless him, blasted Condi Rice today, and applause rang out. So why not impeach him? He has failed so miserably in Iraq that he can't be counted on anymore. This is one of the biggest snubs to America a President has ever done in my opinion. He is now not listening to anyone but his dog I guess.

[StethyEntinic]

I am very concerned with the priorities of not only congress, but the American people as well. Clinton is impeach for lying under oath about his wang, yet all this bullshit that Bush has put us, the Iraqi civilians, and the soldiers through has not generated even ONE trial!! Where are America's priorities?? What the hell are our leaders doing? Congress was lied to by this administration with the falsified WMD report alone. What the hell is going on??

[Cajlwdvx]

I listened to Bush last night, and I started to get offended by how shamelessly pathetic he's getting. Did you notice the tone of his speech? He wasn't taking any responsibility for his actions, instead, he seemed to be offering his new so-called plan as a response to some other president who started this war.

You should be ashamed. Liberals are doing everything in their power to see to it the US fails.

I think sending 20,000 more troops into Iraq(not all at once mind you, some here and some there over the course of the next few months) is like giving a homeless person a quarter. Some conservatives on this site have said that the experts ought to have the say on this matter, but Bush is ignoring all the experts. and I think anyone who believes quitting is the answer is a complete moron.

Is he doing this so that he can blame the congress for not being tough on terrorism? Who knows. I sincerely believe that the president is seriously misguided, that he sits there with his posse and is actually convinced that this "surge" in troops is going to get us over the hump in Iraq. The only thing left to do now is to have a few strong Democrats come out and offer their plan on what they would do, because we all know that the president's just dragging his feet while brave Americans are dying. Strong Democrats? oh you whacky Canadians.

Varus

[JonnLeejsp]

I agreed with w about one thing last night. The tragedy that ensues after we leave Iraq will be profound, long lasting, and widespread. Iraqi suffering will increase exponentially. Other mideast countries will be drawn in to the tragedy. And US citizens will suffer too as the deteriorating situation in Iraq continues to play into the hands of islamic terrorists.

But only a tiny minority of people in this country believe w has any credibility at all on this question. Between the lies he told to get us itno Iraq and the incompetance displayed by the people he chose to prosecute this war, most people assume he's either lyng again or wrong again this time just like before.

It may be that it is now impossible for w to fix the mess he's made no matter what he does. That means we either leave now and watch the disaster from the outside or we maintain a presence until after the '08 election brings in an admin with some credibility who can then generate the support necessary for some sort of solution.

One thing was accomplished last night. By portraying this stay the course message as a change in strategy he has forced the democrats to take a stand on this war one way or the other. Just like with the original Iraq resolution, congressional dems will face a choice of doing the right thing or covering their asses to protect themselves from public sentiment. We all know they chose political expediency over assumption of their congressional responsibiblty last time around. Anybody doubt it will be the same this time?

[StethyEntinic]

That depends on your definition of "quitting", Varus.

Quitting the war in order to save our men's lives is much more noble than keeping them there in a warzone. Sheesh.

[Cajlwdvx]

I am very concerned with the priorities of not only congress, but the American people as well. Clinton is impeach for lying under oath about his wang, yet all this bullshit that Bush has put us, the Iraqi civilians, and the soldiers through has not generated even ONE trial!! Where are America's priorities?? What the hell are our leaders doing? Congress was lied to by this administration with the falsified WMD report alone. What the hell is going on??

That's it blame Bush instead of the actual people who bombed us on 911. Good call Congress was not lied to, WMD's and evidence of WMD's have been discovered.

What the hell is going on is the liberals are so full of hatred for Bush they're willing to sacrifice the life of every American in this country to see to it that anything Bush does is a failure. Fortunately we have a strong military who's able to push beyond the propaganda being reported.

Varus

[StethyEntinic]

If Bush did a good job as president and didn't put American interest over lives, then we wouldn't dislike him.

I am blaming Bush for the war. He waged it. Not us. Are you saying that Bush isn't at fault for sending us to war??

[Cajlwdvx]

If Bush did a good job as president and didn't put American interest over lives, then we wouldn't dislike him.

I am blaming Bush for the war. He waged it. Not us. Are you saying that Bush isn't at fault for sending us to war??

Bush is about as much at fault for this war as Roosevelt was for ww2.

Varus

[StethyEntinic]

Wow. You are not even hanging by a thread on this one.

[Cajlwdvx]

Wow. You are not even hanging by a thread on this one.

answer this one very simple question...would you rather the US fight it's enemies on american or foreign soil?

Varus

[ahagotyou]

I listened to Bush last night, and I started to get offended by how shamelessly pathetic he's getting. Did you notice the tone of his speech? He wasn't taking any responsibility for his actions.

You are full of it. Here is conclusive proof that you are telling an untruth.

Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me.

Why do you deny reality Jason? Do you think that actually helps you in any way?

This is typical of leftists. We see it over and over again in the forum. Seems pretty fucking foolish to me.

Can you now admit that you were wrong Jason? Or are you a person that cannot admit when you are wrong?

[StethyEntinic]

answer this one very simple question...would you rather the US fight it's enemies on american or foreign soil?

Varus

The enemies that attacked us on 9/11 died on 9/11. Regardless, I would feel safer in knowing the the US isn't stiring shit in the pot elsewhere. I want the blanket of safety OVER me, not wafting in the wind and spreading the fire.

[Cajlwdvx]

The enemies that attacked us on 9/11 died on 9/11. Regardless, I would feel safer in knowing the the US isn't stiring shit in the pot elsewhere. I want the blanket of safety OVER me, not wafting in the wind and spreading the fire.

You didn't answer my question. Nice dodge by the way.

and no the enemies that attacked us on 9/11 didn't die on 9/11. The people who train these people to commit these acts are our enemies. And using your logic they would never be touched.

You seem like a decent person it's amazing to me that you can't see this.

Varus

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

I wouldn't want my kids to join because it would stifle their future opportunities and sidetrack their education and carreers.

Nonsense.

I served for 20 years, and have a very nice career with a rather handsome salary. My opportunities, education, and "carreer" we only enhanced by the fact that I joined the military...

[Gogogo]

You didn't answer my question. Nice dodge by the way.

and no the enemies that attacked us on 9/11 didn't die on 9/11. The people who train these people to commit these acts are our enemies. And using your logic they would never be touched.

You seem like a decent person it's amazing to me that you can't see this.

Varus

You're quite right there. The enemies that attacked the US on 9/11 are still alive, and living in two countries (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) that the US has taken zero action against.