[uphokyhuP]

Sure, I just find it rather silly to worry about someone with no confirmed nukes as opposed to someone with confirmed nukes and plans to use them.

That is quite a contradiction, LOL. It seems our worries are misguided and misplaced.

[uphokyhuP]

Ahmadinejad has called out for Israel to be wiped out.

Shame on Israel for wanting to prevent Iran for manufacturing nuclear weapons?!

Do they need more justification to strike against suspected Iranian nucluear facilities?

Two things: firstly China doesn't recognise Taiwan either so perhaps the West needs to take a first-strike option against Beijing too? Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, when he was Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte publicly stated in an interview with Time Magazine that the absolute earliest Iran could (I repeat could) have nukes will be 2011-2012. All of this posturing by the west in the year 2007 is just that. There is no immediate threat of nuclear war unless it is started by the West or Israel.

[incizarry]

I'm worried about Iran having a nuclear weapon, but to a lesser degree I'm worried that Israel may have them also.

Israel isn't bound by any treaties to refrain from using them, and by most accounts they may need them to penetrate Irans bunkers that protect their nuclear facilities.

[uphokyhuP]

I'm worried about any country threatening war against another - nuclear or otherwise. It's more than a little ironic that some countries are proposing first-strike nuclear attacks against another as a means of preventing a nuclear war. Does anyone else get the irony here?

[soprofaxel]

Two things: firstly China doesn't recognise Taiwan either so perhaps the West needs to take a first-strike option against Beijing too? Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, when he was Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte publicly stated in an interview with Time Magazine that the absolute earliest Iran could (I repeat could) have nukes will be 2011-2012. All of this posturing by the west in the year 2007 is just that. There is no immediate threat of nuclear war unless it is started by the West or Israel.

Forgive me, but I am not too familiar with political affairs between Taiwan and China. I thought Taiwan was trying to become an indepenent nation and not be part of China. In my opinion the situation between the Muslim world and Israel is not the same.

The goal is to prevent Iran from having nukes in the future. ie 2011-2012. I have never seen it stated that iran has nukes right now. I don't think this plan is there for immediate use, but as a precationary measure for the future. I agree that there is no immediate threat of iran having nukes.

[fabrizioitwloch]

If Iran had a nuclear weapon capable of hitting Israel do you think they would use it?

Yes and No.
Iran shouldn't be stupid enough to think that Israel wouldn't counter. (mutual destruction).
But that doesn't mean that some suicidal idiot won't get his hands on a portable nuke and want his blessed virgins without thinking of the aftermath.

[soprofaxel]

On the "wiped off the map" translation
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[8]

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

from 4 years ago
Sharon says U.S. should also disarm Iran, Libya and Syria - Haaretz - Israel News

Thanks for posting that. I can't believe I haven't seen that before. It's crazy that it is still brought up in articles I guess it does make some good propoganda. I feel so used for bringing it up.

[annouhMus]

If Iran had a nuclear weapon capable of hitting Israel do you think they would use it?

Absolutely not.

[SypeKifef]

two things id like to say. I think Armegeddonabumjinajab may want to nuke israel for the purpose of starting a true united holy war by provoking the west into muslim anihilation. I think it may be possible. I would not ignore it. It would strengthen muslims leaders grasp on power, and it would eliminate worries about democracy taking hold and ousting facist/monarchist states.

second, I think israel purposely leaked this out so that preventing Iranians from getting nukes would be more feverishly pursued by the international community.

[Asianunta]

Do you think the U.S. doesn't have a plan to use them on Iran too? Or some European nations for that fact? Every military has a plan to push the button in the event to engage in a showdown with an threatening aggressor.

This is not news. It is overhyped crap from anti-Semitic bigots in the media.

The media is anti-Semitic? Where do you get this shit from?

[masaredera]

two things id like to say. I think Armegeddonabumjinajab may want to nuke israel for the purpose of starting a true united holy war by provoking the west into muslim anihilation. I think it may be possible. I would not ignore it. It would strengthen muslims leaders grasp on power, and it would eliminate worries about democracy taking hold and ousting facist/monarchist states.

But surely if Iran used their stockpiles of biological weapons they could achieve the same effect. Israel would not hesitate, and rightly so, to eliminate Iran if she used bio weapons on israel, and the west would surely retaliate immediately. So if this is really the supreme councils plan, why do they need nukes? What are they waiting for?

Ahmadinejad is an elected representative of Iran, with limited power. He does not have the authority to make these calls anyway. I think it is ridiculous to totally ignore the reality that Iran is an ancient nation with a long history and they wish to see that nation exist into the future. They have long term plans, not some lunatic scheme to commit suicide by using nukes or any other WMD against anybody.

second, I think israel purposely leaked this out so that preventing Iranians from getting nukes would be more feverishly pursued by the international community. Perhaps. But that knife cuts both ways. Iran will surely increase their efforts in turn.

Andrew

[uphokyhuP]

The US had no problems with Iraq using their biological weapons in the Iran-Iraq war when the US supported Iraq with their incursion; so why the worry now in regards to as yet non-existent weapons? Why isn't the West outraged at the proposed first-strike by another aggressor in the region? Will the West take action against Israel? Imagine what the response from the West would have been if Iran already had nukes, and the memo that was leaked was Iranian? This is what I get most upset about in relation to foreign affairs is that hypocrisy is seemingly the driving force behind all international actions.

[SypeKifef]

ummm this is not hypocrisy, contrary to your belief system, all nations are not equal. one nuke could permenantly destroy israel,a one bomb holocaust2 Israel is looking into ways how to prevent that from happening such as preempting warnings to Iran its intentions if iran chooses to continue. the international community must increase pressure on iran to stop it from developing nukes.

[NicolasOL]

ummm this is not hypocrisy, contrary to your belief system, all nations are not equal. one nuke could permenantly destroy israel,a one bomb holocaust2 Israel is looking into ways how to prevent that from happening such as preempting warnings to Iran its intentions if iran chooses to continue. the international community must increase pressure on iran to stop it from developing nukes.

Should we also increase pressure on the US to get rid of their WMDs? After all, I believe the US is the only nation in existence that has a history of proliferation of those weapons (chemical and biological to Iraq) AND use of nukes against another nation (Japan). Not to mention being one of the most aggressive nations at this time (belligerence due to invasion of Iraq). Can the same be said of Iran?

[uphokyhuP]

Yes, but the irony is that Israel is talking about preventing a nuclear attack by launching a nuclear attack. The hypocrisy I'm talking about is in relation to what action would be taken against a non-US supported nation if they were to release such a memo? You can bet it'd be a vastly different response to that being leveled at Israel.

[SypeKifef]

slon.... We are not An evil empire as you so desperatly want to believe. we are not perfect either by no means. No nation is perfect. But we dont want the Apocalpse to occur either.

[NicolasOL]

slon.... We are not An evil empire as you so desperatly want to believe. we are not perfect either by no means. No nation is perfect. But we dont want the Apocalpse to occur either.

Did I call the US an evil empire? No, I simply looked over the history and present objectively and found that the US was more of a threat to global stability than Iran, both due to history and the present.

[SypeKifef]

Noath there is no hypocrisy, Any person of reasonable intelligence can tell what israel is thinking. Can't you? Israel does not wanna die, and will do Anything to keep from dieing, just like we all would. This is a nation constantly undersiege. I don't blame them for thinking this way.. .although I know, I hope it does not come to that so much.. I am so worried about the use of Tactical nukes making it more acceptable to use the most destructive technolgy on the planet. Literally harnessing the power of the Sun duplicated on earth. hopefully by the time that happens... we will be pulled out of iraq, and iraq will be doing much better, and the civil war in palestine would be over so we can finally put that togethor if abbas wins.. maybe all this won't be necessary to worry about..... who knows..

[SypeKifef]

explain to me how iran is less a threat to global security?.... calling for apocalpse.. building nukes.. funding terrorists in iraq, provoking israel to war in lebenon.. . Atleast the USAs intentions are basically good.. can you say the same about irans?

[NicolasOL]

Noath there is no hypocrisy, Any person of reasonable intelligence can tell what israel is thinking. Can't you? Israel does not wanna die, and will do Anything to keep from dieing, just like we all would.

And Iran has even more to fear, with Iraq aggressively invaded, occupied and under the control of the United States. I guess Iranians don't want to die either.
This is a nation constantly undersiege. I don't blame them for thinking this way.. .although I know, I hope it does not come to that so much.. I am so worried about the use of Tactical nukes making it more acceptable to use the most destructive technolgy on the planet. Literally harnessing the power of the Sun duplicated on earth. hopefully by the time that happens... we will be pulled out of iraq, and iraq will be doing much better, and the civil war in palestine would be over so we can finally put that togethor if abbas wins.. maybe all this won't be necessary to worry about..... who knows.. And maybe God will come down and make everyone immortal and happy forever. Tell me, how will Iraq be be doing much better?