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Old 06-02-2007, 05:21 AM   #1
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Default Were you worried about Iran getting nukes?
Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran
Uzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington
ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources. Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran - Sunday Times - Times Online

Interesting turn of events. Perhaps the same people who were outraged that Iran might get nukes will show similar concern about a country that has the nukes and a plan to use them.
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Old 06-02-2007, 05:29 AM   #2
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Don't you know that we are not supposed to think those thoughts?
Israel = Ally; Iran = Enemy.

Israel will only attack Iran in a pre-emptory, defensive manner - much like we did with Iraq.
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Old 06-02-2007, 05:42 AM   #3
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I was worried about something like this. Iran has never said anything that made anyone believe it was not going to us nukes, throughing israel out to the sea, making america bow to iranian greatness.

now do you really doubt the possibility of iran giving a nuclear device to hezzbolla and just walking threw the borders and just leaving a bomb in tel aviv? .. .maybe you do but just don't care.. Well imagine this.. tell aviv goes off, israel nukes iran, starts exectuting all palestinians on sight.... Nuclear winter could probably occur, (it might take 20 or so nukes simultaneosly to start world wide climate change) But hey atleast we wont have to worry about global warming!

I think because of Israels small size, and Iranians rhetoric, the muslims belief that this is a war on islam itself. it is going to do things preemptively... iran is going to get bombed if it gets the nuke. if iran gets the nuke.. iran may use it. maybe not directly, but through its proxy armies.. hence we need to stop iran from getting nukes.
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Old 06-02-2007, 06:32 AM   #4
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I was worried about something like this. Iran has never said anything that made anyone believe it was not going to us nukes, throughing israel out to the sea, making america bow to iranian greatness.

now do you really doubt the possibility of iran giving a nuclear device to hezzbolla and just walking threw the borders and just leaving a bomb in tel aviv? .. .maybe you do but just don't care.. Well imagine this.. tell aviv goes off, israel nukes iran, starts exectuting all palestinians on sight.... Nuclear winter could probably occur, (it might take 20 or so nukes simultaneosly to start world wide climate change) But hey atleast we wont have to worry about global warming!

I think because of Israels small size, and Iranians rhetoric, the muslims belief that this is a war on islam itself. it is going to do things preemptively... iran is going to get bombed if it gets the nuke. if iran gets the nuke.. iran may use it. maybe not directly, but through its proxy armies.. hence we need to stop iran from getting nukes.
So it's going to be Iran's fault if Israel decides to pre-emptively nuke it? Should they stop existing in order to not be a target for Israel?
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Old 06-02-2007, 06:51 AM   #5
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I think the best bet is do all we can to prevent iran from getting nukes. Its all we can do, ship missle defense systems to israel, but i have a feeling if iran gets a nuke, it may just give it to thier proxy army to set in city.
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:07 AM   #6
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"getting"

You mean making?
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:12 AM   #7
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maybe not directly, but through its proxy armies.. hence we need to stop iran from getting nukes.
don't worry, as stated in the original post, OUR proxy army israel (or maybe we're THEIR proxy army, i'm not sure) is making sure iran will be rubble before it becomes any real threat to thier military superiority in the region.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:41 PM   #8
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Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran - Sunday Times - Times Online

Interesting turn of events. Perhaps the same people who were outraged that Iran might get nukes will show similar concern about a country that has the nukes and a plan to use them.
Do you think the U.S. doesn't have a plan to use them on Iran too? Or some European nations for that fact? Every military has a plan to push the button in the event to engage in a showdown with an threatening aggressor.

This is not news. It is overhyped crap from anti-Semitic bigots in the media.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:16 PM   #9
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Nuclear winter is a myth created by the same whacked out left wing "scientists" that warn about global warming. Pray that Isreal grows a pair and eliminates the Iranian nuclear threat. God bless pre-emptive war.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:34 PM   #10
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Nuclear winter is a myth created by the same whacked out left wing "scientists" that warn about global warming. Pray that Isreal grows a pair and eliminates the Iranian nuclear threat. God bless pre-emptive war.
"God bless pre-emptive war" Well, well...What is the difference between your rhetoric and the one of the Iranians, except for Israel REALLY used to start and go on starting the pre-emptive aggressions while Iran stays the only pathetical babbler?
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:34 PM   #11
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I think the best bet is do all we can to prevent iran from getting nukes. Its all we can do, ship missle defense systems to israel, but i have a feeling if iran gets a nuke, it may just give it to thier proxy army to set in city.
Nuclear forensics.

Tracing the Source: Nuclear Forensics & Illicit Nuclear Trafficking

Iran giving a bomb to a shadowy militia group to set off in Israel would be identical to Iran just nuking Israel without need of Hezbollah or Hamas. The nuclear explosion could be traced to its source. The IAEA knows what signature an Iranian bomb would have. MAD applies just the same in this situation, so i think it is ridiculous to worry about the possibility of Iran handing over its nukes to non-state actors.

Besides, Iran has stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and has never once handed them over to 'terrorists'.. how do you explain that?

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Old 07-01-2007, 03:36 PM   #12
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Nuclear winter is a myth created by the same whacked out left wing "scientists" that warn about global warming. Pray that Isreal grows a pair and eliminates the Iranian nuclear threat. God bless pre-emptive war.
Another un-thinking war monger I presume.
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:51 PM   #13
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I think the best bet is do all we can to prevent iran from getting nukes. Its all we can do, ship missle defense systems to israel, but i have a feeling if iran gets a nuke, it may just give it to thier proxy army to set in city.
How about not starting wars of aggression and giving Iran all the reasons in the world to have nukes for defensive purposes?
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:53 PM   #14
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Do you think the U.S. doesn't have a plan to use them on Iran too? Or some European nations for that fact? Every military has a plan to push the button in the event to engage in a showdown with an threatening aggressor.

This is not news. It is overhyped crap from anti-Semitic bigots in the media.
Sure, I just find it rather silly to worry about someone with no confirmed nukes as opposed to someone with confirmed nukes and plans to use them.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:19 PM   #15
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This is a funny message. Israel is USA. This is again one of the US methods to fascism and soften the road to nuclear strike. USA has supported nuclear weapons of certain friendly countries (Israel, Pakistan, Turkey), because it will be much easier to use those weapons at war than the US own ones (US congress would never allow to use US nukes).

So whenever you speak about Israel's attack plans, mention that they are originally US plans.

This is an old US (and CIA) trick to go to war through some foreign country or party (usually by supporting oppositions).

However, one lesson was learnt in the previous US attempt to destroy Iran using Iraqi troops and Saddam 1980-90. Because US congress did not accept the direct military support to Iraq, USA lost this expensive war and had to destroy and take Iraq instead. Then the US Hawks decided that next time they want to try to destroy Iran, they definitely need people's support and money - using any means - like they got support for German war through Pearl Harbor. This is even mentioned in the PNAC p 51. And now we have seen the inside crime of 911 and stupid Americans went to a trap again. Let's see if this stupidity lasts long enough for the Iranian war - or is it necessary to have another 911 - to kill thousands of own troops or civilians and accuse falsely Iranians.
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:34 PM   #16
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Ahmadinejad has called out for Israel to be wiped out.

Shame on Israel for wanting to prevent Iran for manufacturing nuclear weapons?!

Do they need more justification to strike against suspected Iranian nucluear facilities?
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:14 PM   #17
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Ahmadinejad has called out for Israel to be wiped out.

Shame on Israel for wanting to prevent Iran for manufacturing nuclear weapons?!

Do they need more justification to strike against suspected Iranian nucluear facilities?
YUP. Much.
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:16 PM   #18
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If Iran had a nuclear weapon capable of hitting Israel do you think they would use it?
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:54 PM   #19
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Ahmadinejad has called out for Israel to be wiped out.

Shame on Israel for wanting to prevent Iran for manufacturing nuclear weapons?!

Do they need more justification to strike against suspected Iranian nucluear facilities?
On the "wiped off the map" translation
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[8]

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

from 4 years ago
Sharon says U.S. should also disarm Iran, Libya and Syria - Haaretz - Israel News
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:59 PM   #20
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If Iran had a nuclear weapon capable of hitting Israel do you think they would use it?
Depends on the situation. Just for the hell of it? No. Because the US engages in belligerent behavior? I'd say that would be a good reason to keep them as a deterrence.
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