[PypeMaypetasy]

Muslims are forbidden to eat pig.

are yousure?

i mean like that isnt common knowledge

[fashikn]

couldn't access sweetness and light.

Sorry about the confusion if the underlining of Sweetness and Light was thought of as a link - I wasn't too sure on the proper rules of underlining WRT the names of websites; books I know are underlined, mags too, I think.

Anyways, Sweetness and Light was the OP source for this thread.

[Unjucky]

In Massachusetts, there was a law that said that no alcoholic beverage license could be issued for a location within 500 feet of a church or school without written permission from the institution.
This was taken to the US Supreme court and the law was thrown out, as respecting of the establishment of religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grendel's_Den

[OEMCHEAPSOFTDOWNLOAD]

That's crap. Religious institutions, Christian, Muslim, Bahai, Whatever, should have juristiction over their land ONLY.

Christians help people not force them out.

Name one Muslim or Jewish humanitarian program that isnt focused on the jews or the muslums only?

[Vemnagelignc]

Christians help people not force them out.

Name one Muslim or Jewish humanitarian program that isnt focused on the jews or the muslums only?

I don't see how this is remotely relevent to the topic at hand.

[MzTT]

I know of no case in my area where a business was forced to close because a religious facility opened next to it. I honestly don't think it's allowed!

Think again. There have been many bars, strip joints, gun stores, liquor stores, etc. forced to close because a church or a school was built nearby.

[medio]

I saw this and think it is complete bullshit. Apparently a pig farmer is having to shut down his operation because of a new mosque that is going to move in next to it. I think this is crap. What gets me though is that this thing is more common but doesn't get the attention this does because Muslims are involved this time. In the town I grew up in a bar that had been open for years was forced to close because a church moved in next to it and the law states you can't have a place that sells or serves alcohol within so many feet of a church. Personally I do not think any religious group should be able to move into a neighborhood and then force already existing businesses out or tell people what they can or can't do on their property due to these kinds of laws.

Locals Start Pig Racing To Deter Mosque Construction | Sweetness & Light

Doesn’t work that way, the church would have to be there first. It’s a Muslim thing. There allowed privileges above American citizens. The Muslim cabbies at airports are allowed to ask you what’s in your luggage also. If you refuse to tell them they can refuse the fair. They won’t transport certain things like alcohol ect. It was on FOX night before last…
Please don’t include Christians in this discussion as it doesn’t apply. If a Christian bookstore so much as refuses to make copies of queer lititure they get shut down…

[Vemnagelignc]

Doesn’t work that way, the church would have to be there first. It’s a Muslim thing. There allowed privileges above American citizens. The Muslim cabbies at airports are allowed to ask you what’s in your luggage also. If you refuse to tell them they can refuse the fair. They won’t transport certain things like alcohol ect. It was on FOX night before last…
Please don’t include Christians in this discussion as it doesn’t apply. If a Christian bookstore so much as refuses to make copies of queer lititure they get shut down…

I don't see what that has to do with extra rights and privilages under the Law....

[fabrizioitwloch]

I think that whoever was there first should have the rights, not the one that moves in after the fact. I agree that a bar shouldn't open up next to church because of the noise factor and the happenings around the bar but if the bar is there first, the church should have no right to complain. This pig guy should not be forced to give up his pig races or his pigs because Muslims moved next door to him. They obviously didn't check out the neighborhood well so, tough shit!

I second all of that.

[Unjucky]

A side note to the Massachusetts Case.
The attorney was a professor at Harvard, who ate lunch at the restaurant Grendel's Den, located in Harvard Square.
He asked the owner why he didn't get a license, so he could have a beer with his lunch, the owner told him about the church that wouldn't sign off on his license. The attorney said not to worry, he'd take care of it, and it wouldn't cost the owner a nickel, he'd do it out of friendship.
He filed the case which consisted of FOUR paragraphs, the case was thrown out, he appealed to the Massachusetts Supreme Court, with the same four paragraphs, retyped of course, rejected, Federal Court, same four paragraphs, rejected, Federal Appeals Court, rejected and US Supreme Court, same 4 paragraphs but this time, BINGO, the law was thrown out.
He went to the owner of the restaurant, and said "Don't freak out, here is my bill for $550,000 for handling the case, you just send it in to the State House, and the state pays attorney fees for overturned laws."
The State said "wait a minute, $550,000 for four paragraphs?", so it went before a panel of attorneys who said "yeah, that's ridiculous, just pay him $175,000"
And that's what the professor got paid for helping his friend during his lunch hour.

[annouhMus]

I don't think we know enough about this to make a real judgement in the specific Case.

1. Did the religeous committee "Really" put pressure on the Pig Farmer to leave? We don't know that.
2. Did they just wnt the Pig Farmer to stop trespassing?
3. Is the pig farmer in reality biased and prejudiced againt the group and just wants to force them out and as such is putting pressure on them with the pig races, to get them to leave? We don't know that either
But it would appear very possible.

I am all for the Grandfathering positions in cases like this, but I also realize that for private reasons people tend to try to get their own way by any means possible.

[Cajlwdvx]

Is anyone surprised? Muslims could care less about anything that doesn't conform to their religious dogma.

And liberals are swearing them in on the koran now.

Varus

[Usogwdkb]

Is anyone surprised? Muslims could care less about anything that doesn't conform to their religious dogma.

And you know this for a fact how??????

And liberals are swearing them in on the koran now.

Varus Would you prefer that he swears in a Bible he doesn't believe in? The people have spoken. They've elected a Muslim to office and if he wants to swear in on a Koran, I'm not so narrow-minded and prejudiced to say he can't. It's a pity that it caused such an uproar.

[Cajlwdvx]

And you know this for a fact how??????

I have eyes and ears. Feel free to keep apologizing for Islam though.


Would you prefer that he swears in a Bible he doesn't believe in? The people have spoken. They've elected a Muslim to office and if he wants to swear in on a Koran, I'm not so narrow-minded and prejudiced to say he can't. It's a pity that it caused such an uproar. I would prefer he value the traditions of the country he is to serve. And where do you draw the line? Would you be arguing this position if a member of the KKK was elected and decided to swear on "Mien Kamph"? Of course you wouldn't. But because we live in a time of political correctness you're willing to allow the traditions of this country to be subverted based on the ideology of one person.

Oh and it's not "narrow-minded" to call a spade a spade.

Varus

[fabrizioitwloch]

I would prefer he value the traditions of the country he is to serve. And where do you draw the line? Would you be arguing this position if a member of the KKK was elected and decided to swear on "Mien Kamph"? Of course you wouldn't. But because we live in a time of political correctness you're willing to allow the traditions of this country to be subverted based on the ideology of one person.
Varus

Not to go off topic, but I agree with you.
Next step, people will be sworn in using some satan worshiping book.

[Vemnagelignc]

Not to go off topic, but I agree with you.
Next step, people will be sworn in using some satan worshiping book.

Which is entirely their perogative.

Or they could use no book, if they so choose.

Incidentilly... guess which copy of the Koran he used.

Jefferson's Koran used in ceremony*-*Nation/Politics*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

[fabrizioitwloch]

Which is entirely their perogative.

Or they could use no book, if they so choose.

Incidentilly... guess which copy of the Koran he used.

Jefferson's Koran used in ceremony - Nation/Politics - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

So ?
Jefferson owned many books as he had a huge library. That doesn't mean that he practiced or worshiped those books.

Hell, I had a Koran a few years back so that I could read it and try to understand.....But atlas, in the trash it went.

[Vemnagelignc]

So ?
Jefferson owned many books as he had a huge library. That doesn't mean that he practiced or worshiped those books.

Hell, I had a Koran a few years back so that I could read it and try to understand.....But atlas, in the trash it went.

Wow. That's very disrespectful.

Anyhow, I infer, by your silence, tacit agreement with my statement that it would be someones perogative to swear in with a satanist book, or the book of wiccan, or whatever?

[Usogwdkb]

I have eyes and ears. Feel free to keep apologizing for Islam though.




I would prefer he value the traditions of the country he is to serve. And where do you draw the line? Would you be arguing this position if a member of the KKK was elected and decided to swear on "Mien Kamph"? Of course you wouldn't. But because we live in a time of political correctness you're willing to allow the traditions of this country to be subverted based on the ideology of one person.

Oh and it's not "narrow-minded" to call a spade a spade.

Varus

I've no problem calling a spade a spade. However, I do have a problem with not allowing someone to practice their religion in this land. Why do you think our forefathers came here in the first place???? By using the Koran, he is following the traditions of this country, one of which is freedom of religion.

Are you so narrow-minded to believe that only Christians will be in Heaven? I'm not. I can totally respect someone's right to worship through any religion they see fit. As Queen Elizabeth once said, "As for religion... Henceforce, all services will be conducted, not in Latin, but English, starting with my Coronation. How can my people understand the power of prayer unless they first understand its meaning? If they are to accept the Protestant faith, it must be through persuasion, not purges. Let the Catholics keep their crucifixes and robes, if they wish. There is but one Jesus Christ. The rest is trifles." Or as my former pastor was fond of saying, "All religious tags will either fly off on the way to Heaven or burn off on the way to Hell."
When the KKK becomes a religion and the people elect a practicing member, I would say that they would have every right to use whatever religious book they choose for the swearing in.

[Usogwdkb]

Wow. That's very disrespectful.

Anyhow, I infer, by your silence, tacit agreement with my statement that it would be someones perogative to swear in with a satanist book, or the book of wiccan, or whatever?

If the people elect a Wiccan or Satanist, then the official should be allowed to use their religious books.