[QQ9ktYrV]

According to israeli reports some of the protesters tried to cut through barbed wire fence and some hurled stones and things like that. Without beeing clear if they actually got close enough to hit. That obviously leaves a military power like Israel no other choice but to respond with live fire .

Calm returns to Israel-Syria border after day of deadly violence - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...tests-1.366094

Israel will win any open military confrontation, and that is why the Palestinians have changed their strategy, although some people may have not realized. The Near East version of the David versus Goliath game means unarmed mass demonstrations in-and outside the occupied territories. And the more often Israels army is caught firing at unarmed protesters the smaller becomes the difference to regimes in Syria and elsewhere that are firing on protesting people as well. That is not only devastating regarding PR points it shows that Israel is lacking a strategy ahead of the UN vote in September. That is why it is foolish as well.......

[investor]

Hey,count me back in. Even at 67 I would rejoin the USMC in order to serve a few tours on the border with a rusty old M-60 picking off some illegals. Funny thing is that if that happened here Obama's AG would be hanging Arizona,but then again a few Marine companies could stop the illegals for a coupla million once and for all.

Last time we tried that, MajTom, it took 4 US Marines in ghillie suits to sneak up and surround an 18 year old goat herder armed with an antique pump action .22 and shoot him. They couldn't even kill him with a clean shot - they had to let the boy bleed out in the hot sun.

How many Marines would it take if it was an entire family, not just a boy?

http://www.dpft.org/hernandez/ap_062997.html

[Stoottnoiciek]

According to israeli reports some of the protesters tried to cut through barbed wire fence and some hurled stones and things like that. Without beeing clear if they actually got close enough to hit. That obviously leaves a military power like Israel no other choice but to respond with live fire .

Calm returns to Israel-Syria border after day of deadly violence - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...tests-1.366094

Israel will win any open military confrontation, and that is why the Palestinians have changed their strategy, although some people may have not realized. The Near East version of the David versus Goliath game means unarmed mass demonstrations in-and outside the occupied territories. And the more often Israels army is caught firing at unarmed protesters the smaller becomes the difference to regimes in Syria and elsewhere that are firing on protesting people as well. That is not only devastating regarding PR points it shows that Israel is lacking a strategy ahead of the UN vote in September. That is why it is foolish as well.......

Somewhere in Syria tonight, you can bet your last penny that some vile Mullah or Imam is sitting smugly in his hooch, thinking much the same thing. For the cost of a few impressionable young protestors, he was able to get a great headline making massacre to fit right into his plans.

Whomever he is, you can bet he knew Allahdamn well what the Israeli response would be (they can always be counted on to use excessive force) but you can bet he told the protestors that they would be fine. Or they were told that martyrdom for Allah is a glorious thing (curiously, the Imams and Mullahs are never picked for martyrdom.....). Either way, they were sent out to die as a political tool.

As usual, neither side here is blameless.

Matt

[Wymdqcvb]

"Invasion" is a bit hysterical. And the demonstrations on the Golan are coming from Syria, a nation still deep in the "Arab winter" with no spring in sight.

[Stoottnoiciek]

Kindly cease the personal comments. Discuss the thread topic, or don't post in the thread.

[Kryfamid]

WHy dont we protect our border this way?

What? And lose the hispanic vote?

[Kryfamid]

Because the noise would disturb all the illegal aliens and terrorists infiltrating into the Country... or already residing in our Sanctuary Cities...?

Like Houston Tx, a sancutuary city perpetuaterd by democrat Bill White?
Here's what that gets ya............

YouTube - ‪Police Officer Killed By Illegal Alien In Houston, Texas‬‏

[Kryfamid]

ahoy CharlesDavenport,

are ye callin' reverin' our savior and lord god, jesus christ, "pathetic tripe"?

thats not nice, Charles.

as i recall, when captain Beck had his gatherin' in washington, the Tea Party faithful seemed to be a god fearin' sort. it strikes me as improbable that them who believe in Christ would think that the Almighty would sanction the murder 'o mexican women and children at our border.

aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Jesus would have people violate the laws of man that don't conflict with God's "laws"?? Hmmmmmmmm.....not in my bible.

[Zaebal]

It was probably a bunch of Palestinian kids playing and the Israeli soldiers felt they needed target practice.

Most of the cons on this board would make mercernary companies from the 100 Years War look like West Point Grads on exercise when it comes to military discipline.

Unless "playing" involves cutting through barb wire and throwing rocks, then you are wrong, yet again.

Oh, and would Israeli soldiers in need of "target practice" first broadcast a verbal warning and fire shots into the air?

Do you have anything rational to add to the discussion?

[abubycera]

Kindly cease the personal comments. Discuss the thread topic, or don't post in the thread.

???

[WrinnaArraple]

A soldier should let themselves die rather than to kill the child or the civilian. Their lives are far more valuable than a mindless unthinking uncaring killing machine that has no soul. Especially if they're those apartheidic loving Israelis.

[abubycera]

A soldier should let themselves die rather than to kill the child or the civilian. Their lives are far more valuable than a mindless unthinking uncaring killing machine that has no soul. Especially if they're those apartheidic loving Israelis.

I certainly agree with that.

[gusecrync]

Unless "playing" involves cutting through barb wire and throwing rocks, then you are wrong, yet again.

Oh, and would Israeli soldiers in need of "target practice" first broadcast a verbal warning and fire shots into the air?

Do you have anything rational to add to the discussion?

Do you really think cutting barbed wire and throwing rocks justifies killing people.

Have these people never heard of tear gas or rubber bullets or, fer crissake, this sound weapon that ships use to drive off pirates.

We give these people well over a billion dollars in military aid every year, they've never heard of ANY non-lethal warfare?

[Zaebal]

Do you really think cutting barbed wire and throwing rocks justifies killing people.

Have these people never heard of tear gas or rubber bullets or, fer crissake, this sound weapon that ships use to drive off pirates.

We give these people well over a billion dollars in military aid every year, they've never heard of ANY non-lethal warfare?

"These people" take their survival a little less for granted than most other people do, and justifiably so.

Maybe if everyone around them would stop calling for their destruction and lobbing rockets into their country, they wouldn't be quite so quick to shoot.

[ballerturfali]

As usual, neither side here is blameless.

Ha. Quite. One side is guilty of, maybe, trespassing, and the other of indiscriminately murdering civilians. Netanyahu's Israel is just as bad as Assad's Syria.

[Bbjhjxfy]

Since when are the Golan heights Israel and why are people demonstrating for their right to return to their homes invaders?

The people who call on murder are just sick around here.

Better yet,,since when is the heights the home of Palestinians and what right do they have to try and mimmic what is going on elsewhere in the area. Isreal took the Golan Heights from an invading army and it belongs to them legally.The IDF tried everything to stop the stupid farts before shooting them. The dam Syrians are behind this totally stupid excuse for a demonstration and the IDF is justified in protecting it's borders as they did. They are not ignorant like our leaders are.

You call it murder,,,so when your home gets invaded do not shoot the crimminal. Buy him a plane ticket to the Isreali border and hope he gets his ass shot while there. Perhaps then you would have done your part in trying to help crimminals.

[new-nickname-zanovo]

Ha. Quite. One side is guilty of, maybe, trespassing, and the other of indiscriminately murdering civilians. Netanyahu's Israel is just as bad as Assad's Syria.

I can't stand Netanyahu, either, but some perspective:

Syria has experienced one of its bloodiest weekends since the start of the uprising, with details emerging today of a violent crackdown on Friday despite the government's attempt to stop news spreading by cutting off the internet in major cities.

Across the country, an estimated 80 people were killed on Friday, with dozens more dying since. Residents of the western town of Jisr al-Shughour said at least 35 people had been killed there since Saturday.

The crackdown continued today, with activists reporting gunfire and tanks moving into the town of Khan Shikhon in the north-west province of Idlib.

Rights groups say more than 1,200 people have died and at least 10,000 have been detained in Syria since March .

Syria death toll rises amid violent government crackdown on protests | World news | The Guardian
That's 1,200 Syrians killed by their own government for demanding their rights and 20 Syrians killed trying to breach the borders of another country.

Equivalent? Um, no.

[WrinnaArraple]

"These people" take their survival a little less for granted than most other people do, and justifiably so.

Maybe if everyone around them would stop calling for their destruction and lobbing rockets into their country, they wouldn't be quite so quick to shoot.

Well maybe if Israel was never formed there wouldn't be any calls for it's destruction. Israel was illegally formed in blood and deserves to be eradicated and turned into Soylent Green.

[ballerturfali]

Equivalent? Um, no.

Yes, well, ability is nothing without opportunity. I have complete faith in Netanyahu's ability.

[gusecrync]

"These people" take their survival a little less for granted than most other people do, and justifiably so.

Maybe if everyone around them would stop calling for their destruction and lobbing rockets into their country, they wouldn't be quite so quick to shoot.

Sauce for the goose, maybe if they weren't so quick to shoot.....

My main problem is that there just seems NO moral outrage in this country at ANYTHING Israelis do and EVERYTHING Palestinians do. If a Gandhi were to arise among the Palestinians would the Americans support killing even resolutely non-violent demonstrators??

And I'm not so sure that ALL the Arab countries call for their destruction. Egypt is currently not at war with them and so must tacitly recognise their right to exist, as I think does Saudi Arabia, (though under conditions they are very unlikely to accept.)