[virtuah]

All this crap is happening in real time in front of everyone, and it seems fine with most people. There is something seriously wrong here folks.

Chinese to view sensitive U.S. sites - Washington Times

[compiit]

No doubt it's cool to be politically correct, but the truth of the matter is that China has been more successful at stealing our most important secrets by magnitudes than any other country in history and it's all been by Chinamen facilitated by socialist idiots - Clinton being the last one and Obama being the current one. But its all good - contributes to the global balance of power that those fuktards believe in. In my world, nobody with any Chinese lineage gets that post. Too bad if you don't like it. Call me Mr. Obvious.

Along the lines of political correctness - if you haven't noticed, the Muslim world is going to shit. We need to withdraw entirely from that region and let them fuck themselves.

So just because the guy has a Chinese heritage, you are against him? You can't make this shit up! Life is indeed stranger than fiction, at times.

Granted China has stolen from us, is waging warfare, but if you are not careful you will blame Americans with a Chinese heritage for acts committed by real deal Chinese. Last time I looked, the guy in question was a fucking American for gods sake! Can't you distinguish between the two? Or is this proclivity NOT to be able to distinguish a Right Wing thing? It really does make you guys look to be something we are better off without...

[VastDrura]

Last time I looked, the guy in question was a fucking American for gods sake! Can't you distinguish between the two? Or is this proclivity NOT to be able to distinguish a Right Wing thing?

No, it's not a right-wing thing, it's racism.

[Fiipolera]

I work in an Asian restaurant most of the Asian's that work there are Americans but during the Olympics they sure weren’t cheering for our team.

[NudiJuicervich]

I work in an Asian restaurant most of the Asian's that work there are Americans but during the Olympics they sure weren’t cheering for our team.

There's nothing big about that. The US is a nation of immigrants by birth or descent. If one wants to see a packed house for sports, just schedule an Ireland vs. Italy match in Boston or the NYC metro area for example. One is scheduled again for a soccer match in July. I regularly see American soccer players and fans wearing Irish or Italian soccer shirts or gear by Americans of such descent in that sport or another. It has nothing to do with disloyalty or rooting against the US in sports, just additionally supporting another team too given their heritage and their pride in it.

[Fiipolera]

There's nothing big about that. The US is a nation of immigrants by birth or descent. If one wants to see a packed house for sports, just schedule an Ireland vs. Italy match in the NYC metro area. One is scheduled again for a soccer match in July. I regularly see people wearing Irish or Italian sports gear by Americans of such descent in that sport or another. It has nothing to do with disloyalty or routing against the US in sports, just one additionally supporting another team too given their heritage.

Oh I know I was just playing Devils advocate here, I actually think it is a smart idea as he might have a better understanding of Chinese culture and probably speaks the language. But in this ultra PC world I guess some would say it is unfair to others of different ethnicity’s who did not get the position.

[Pharmaciest]

Oh I know I was just playing Devils advocate here, I actually think it is a smart idea as he might have a better understanding of Chinese culture and probably speaks the language. But in this ultra PC world I guess some would say it is unfair to others of different ethnicity’s who did not get the position.

ahoy Q of U,

thats fine matey, i agree completely.

recall all our caucasian ambassadors to Europe and send'm all folks 'o african american descent instead.

here here!

avast ye!!!

- MeadHallPirate

[NudiJuicervich]

Oh I know I was just playing Devils advocate here, I actually think it is a smart idea as he might have a better understanding of Chinese culture and probably speaks the language. But in this ultra PC world I guess some would say it is unfair to others of different ethnicity’s who did not get the position.

Yeah, some might say so and I can see their point, but overall, having the best qualified person for a position makes the most sense.

A person who can speak the language of the host country, knows its culture best, can best connect with them on behalf of the US best considering they share the heritage and put a good face on the US, etc, makes great sense. After all, it's hard to say the US hates China if Americans also have Chinese descent members who know and respect them, can communicate with them, show a bond between the US and them, etc.

For example, the current US Ambassador to Ireland appointed by Obama is Dan Rooney of the NFL's Pittsburgh Steelers. He is the grandson of Irish immigrants and has long developed positive connections between the US and Ireland:

Daniel M. Rooney was sworn in as U.S. Ambassador to Ireland on July 1, 2009 and presented his credentials to President Mary McAleese on July 3, 2009.

Ambassador Rooney is well-known in Ireland as one of the founders of the American Ireland Funds which are dedicated to building bridges of peace, culture, and charity in Ireland and Northern Ireland. Ambassador Rooney has also funded the annual Rooney Prize for Irish Literature to highlight the work of Irish writers under the age of 40. He has also been actively involved in charities in the U.S. Among his community activities, Ambassador Rooney was a board member for The United Way of America, The American Diabetes Association, The Pittsburgh History and Landmarks Foundation, and the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. In February 2000, Ambassador Rooney was recognized by the prestigious Maxwell Football Club in Philadelphia by presenting with the Francis "Reds" Bagnell Award for "contributions to the game of football."

Ambassador Rooney’s family is originally from Newry in County Down and he has been a regular visitor to the island for most of his life. Ambassador Rooney is joined in Ireland by his wife Patricia. They have nine children: Art, Patricia, Kathleen (deceased), Rita, Dan, Mary Duffy, John, Jim and Joan and 18 grandchildren.

. . . Embassy of the United States - Ambassador

Under Bush, it was Tom Foley, another American of Irish roots and interests:

Thomas C. Foley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Under Clinton, even one of the Boston Kennedy political family was sent--Jean Kennedy Smith--whose ethnicity and positive connections to Ireland on behalf of Americans are well known. Here's the list of them over the years and you'll see that selecting Americans of the Irish diaspora is very common:

United States Ambassador to Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[euylvaygdq]

From wiki: “His parents gave him the Chinese name of 駱家輝 (pronounced Lok Gaa-Fai in Cantonese). He did not learn to speak English until he was five years old.”

He is an American, but it would seem he has unsettlingly strong ties to China. So to me it is a double edged sword. He knows the culture and mind set, and would offset any reverse racism by the Chinese. But it all depends on where his true loyalties lie.

I think it is a valid argument that he may be more sympathetic toward China’s ambitions than perhaps other Americans and that has nothing to do with race, but rather with his background.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. But, he’s not a spy, that’s ridiculous. Better choices…probably.

[Pharmaciest]

From wiki: “His parents gave him the Chinese name of 駱家輝 (pronounced Lok Gaa-Fai in Cantonese). He did not learn to speak English until he was five years old.”

He is an American, but it would seem he has unsettlingly strong ties to China.

ahoy Amielle and well met,

i too, didn't learn to speak english till i was a young laddy 'o 5 years old. i learned Cantonese and picked up english as i grew older.

i was given a chinese name, too.

what of it?

be i an "unsettlin'" kinda fella also?

irish children be named things like "patrick" and "sean". does that kinda thing sorta alarm ye?

- MeadHallPirate

ps - this thread be sorts surreal to me, i hafta be honest.

[ayWCZ7VT]

I work in an Asian restaurant most of the Asian's that work there are Americans but during the Olympics they sure weren’t cheering for our team.

And i don't cheer for the US in the world cup half the time. Big whoop. My Great Grandmothers family came over on the Mayflower for shit's sake, been here the whole time and I don't automatically cheer for the american in the olympics or other international sports contests. Why? Because sometimes that russian chick is foxy as hell. Who gives a fuck?

This is a bunch of bullsiht. The dude is an american and a distinguished civil servant.

[euylvaygdq]

ahoy Amielle and well met,

i too, didn't learn to speak english till i was a young laddy 'o 5 years old. i learned Cantonese and picked up english as i grew older.

i was given a chinese name, too.

what of it?

be i an "unsettlin'" kinda fella also?

irish children be named things like "patrick" and "sean". does that kinda thing sorta alarm ye?

- MeadHallPirate

ps - this thread be sorts surreal to me, i hafta be honest.

(I knew I’d regret that post)…

I mean you no disrespect. I can’t crawl in his mind any more than you. I’m not saying I agree.

Does the man like China over say Zambia or Paraguay? Probably. There is an argument there. That’s my point.

I can say the same thing for sending an Irishman to be the Irish ambassador. If there was a 50/50 coin toss decision, does he root for Ireland or America? That little 1% is what I’m talking about. I can’t crawl in his mind and say he would root for the United States any more than you. I think he would root for the US and I think you would too.

Sorry you took offence. Jeez.

[Pharmaciest]

(I knew I’d regret that post)…

I mean you no disrespect. I can’t crawl in his mind any more than you. I’m not saying I agree.

Does the man like China over say Zambia or Paraguay? Probably. There is an argument there. That’s my point.

I can say the same thing for sending an Irishman to be the Irish ambassador. If there was a 50/50 coin toss decision, does he root for Ireland or America? That little 1% is what I’m talking about. I can’t crawl in his mind and say he would root for the United States any more than you. I think he would root for the US and I think you would too.

Sorry you took offence. Jeez.

ahoy Amielle,

hah, no problem matey. i find this particular thread a bit surprisin', but i didn't take no offense from yer questions. the original tone 'o CharlesDavenport's OP kinda got me hot under the collar, but not yer own questions.

i have never in me life heard this kinda anxiety voiced here on USPO o'er the racial/cultural makeup 'o any other ambassador, though...so i find it a bit peculiar why this be suddenly a concern.

i mean, goodness...Daniel Kurtzer was appointed by President Bush as our ambassador to Isreal in 2005. that swabby be an observant jewish fella, and it raised nary an eye here on USPO. yet now folks be wary 'o someone 'o Chinese descent bein' our ambassador to China?

ye can see me point, aye?

*bows*

- MeadHallPirate

[NudiJuicervich]

(I knew I’d regret that post)…

I mean you no disrespect. I can’t crawl in his mind any more than you. I’m not saying I agree.

Does the man like China over say Zambia or Paraguay? Probably. There is an argument there. That’s my point.

I can say the same thing for sending an Irishman to be the Irish ambassador. If there was a 50/50 coin toss decision, does he root for Ireland or America? That little 1% is what I’m talking about. I can’t crawl in his mind and say he would root for the United States any more than you. I think he would root for the US and I think you would too.

Sorry you took offence. Jeez.

(bolding added). The US does not send Irishmen to be the US Ambassador to Ireland as being an Irishman formally speaking means being a citizen of Ireland. They are US citizens of Irish descent. Gary Locke is not a Chinese citizen and China does not recognise dual citizenship.

One can appreciate and enjoy their ancestry and any bonds it creates with it and not have a loyalty problem. I see no reason why a person like John M. Koenig can't be the current Chargé d'Affaires at the US Embassy in Berlin given his ancestry (it's a German surname meaning 'King') or why all the Ambassadors of British descent going back to John Adams himself were anymore questionable rather than advantageous when being appointed US Ambassador to the UK.

[sessoorale]

ahoy Amielle,

hah, no problem matey. i find this particular thread a bit surprisin', but i didn't take no offense from yer questions. the original tone 'o CharlesDavenport's OP kinda got me hot under the collar, but not yer own questions.

i have never in me life heard this kinda anxiety voiced here on USPO o'er the racial/cultural makeup 'o any other ambassador, though...so i find it a bit peculiar why this be suddenly a concern.

i mean, goodness...Daniel Kurtzer was appointed by President Bush as our ambassador to Isreal in 2005. that swabby be an observant jewish fella, and it raised nary an eye here on USPO. yet now folks be wary 'o someone 'o Chinese descent bein' our ambassador to China?

ye can see me point, aye?

*bows*

- MeadHallPirate

The way I see it, MHP, is that the OP is quite racist.

[gactanync]

No doubt it's cool to be politically correct, but the truth of the matter is that China has been more successful at stealing our most important secrets by magnitudes than any other country in history and it's all been by Chinamen facilitated by socialist idiots - Clinton being the last one and Obama being the current one. But its all good - contributes to the global balance of power that those fuktards believe in. In my world, nobody with any Chinese lineage gets that post. Too bad if you don't like it. Call me Mr. Obvious.

Or we could just call you what you are, Mr.Racist.

[compiit]

From wiki: “His parents gave him the Chinese name of 駱家輝 (pronounced Lok Gaa-Fai in Cantonese). He did not learn to speak English until he was five years old.”

He is an American, but it would seem he has unsettlingly strong ties to China. So to me it is a double edged sword. He knows the culture and mind set, and would offset any reverse racism by the Chinese. But it all depends on where his true loyalties lie.

I think it is a valid argument that he may be more sympathetic toward China’s ambitions than perhaps other Americans and that has nothing to do with race, but rather with his background.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. But, he’s not a spy, that’s ridiculous. Better choices…probably.

Well, you cannot get any more sympathetic to Chna than American business, no matter how hard you try. We tend to lose our scruples when money is involved, especially when one is offered slave labor rates, in exchange for China owning a share of the factory, plus any technology they don't have but want real bad. If this guy can be worse than this, he would be really, really bad.

[deackatera]

So, is your inference that anyone with any ethnic heritage, no matter how distant, cannot be trusted to relate to that country several generations distant without a danger of spying?

Or is this only a "dirty non-white" racial thing?

What he meant to say is that also Eisenhower and Rummy were german spies.

[SzefciuCba]

"Chinaman"? Are you fucking serious?

[virtuah]

Gary Locke. Fucking joke. This guy's got spy written all over him.