[lrtoinbert]

ahoy and welcome to USPO, oh angry AnimalsFarm420!!!!

mate, how does one find out what happened on this raid, if not fer the government account? are ye close mateys with one 'o the special ops forces involved with the event?

- MeadHallPirate

I was in the army and I guess that would give me a little extra insight, but other than that you just have to search the internet, don't just stick to lib or con media alone, get your sources from all over the internet and use some common sense. You have to wade through alot of shit to get a little truth, but its better than just following some talking heads opinion blindly, but it dosen't take a genius so see raid had alot of mistakes just from all the articles out there.

I don't mean to come off as angry i assure you that is not my intention, I simply wish to encourage people to go do some independent research.

[lrtoinbert]

I guess what they're thinking is this:

They blew up a stealth helicopter that probably cost a few Americans' lifetime earnings and spent who knows how much more time, money and manpower just to kill some unarmed old guy with kidney failure, a hysterical woman and some other people, one of which committed the inexcusable sin of trying to defend himself, that dared to get in the way of the infinitely brave SEAL's bullets. I'm thinking that their point is: there are cheaper ways to murder defenseless women and invalids.

The could be wrong, of course, especially if the White House changes its story.

Well said.

[envenonearo]

I have seen thread after thread, always targeting Obama, usually with some lame pseudo-economic pretend thinking as to why Obama is the cause of the deficits, the economic troubles, unemployment.
Now we get some self appointed experts on military operations who explain what a complete fuckup the killing of Bin Laden was.
Really, killing Bin Laden was a mistake, I think the concept of STUPID just reached a new level...

[lrtoinbert]

I have seen thread after thread, always targeting Obama, usually with some lame pseudo-economic pretend thinking as to why Obama is the cause of the deficits, the economic troubles, unemployment.
Now we get some self appointed experts on military operations who explain what a complete fuckup the killing of Bin Laden was.
Really, killing Bin Laden was a mistake, I think the concept of STUPID just reached a new level...

I assume you are talking to me, I'm not sure where I appointed my self an expert on the military, and if I'm not mistaken I never said any thing negative about Obama, I don't get hung up on the Republican Democrat thing they are all full of crap with exception with a few good intentioned individuals in both parties.

[attishina]

Threads like this demonstrate why pictures might have been a good idea.

Not really. The same people indulging in conspiracy theories now would just claim the pictures are fake.

[attishina]

I guess what they're thinking is this:

They blew up a stealth helicopter that probably cost a few Americans' lifetime earnings and spent who knows how much more time, money and manpower just to kill some unarmed old guy with kidney failure, a hysterical woman and some other people, one of which committed the inexcusable sin of trying to defend himself, that dared to get in the way of the infinitely brave SEAL's bullets. I'm thinking that their point is: there are cheaper ways to murder defenseless women and invalids.

The could be wrong, of course, especially if the White House changes its story.

Of course there are cheaper ways to kill lots of people -- like hijacking an airliner and flying it into a building.

[attishina]

People just believe what the media tells them 90% of it is opinion than they decide not to go out and not find out the truth on their own or use any reason, because they watched it on the "tube". I’m not going to do every ones research for them but the info is out there if you look, to many people are hung up on the whole republican democrat thing they don’t realize that as a whole they are all full of crap, there are people here and there in the government that have good intentions, but the vast majority are simply narcissist concerned with them self’s. Time and time agene the government has been caught lying to the American people to get us into wars and there are allot of people that don’t even know that fact because they don’t want to think for them self’s and go do the research, Vietnam was based on a lie what makes you thank the ones we are in are not.

FDR said "Nothing happens in Washington unless its planed that way" and of you go look for the evidence more than likely he provoked the Japans to bomb and then left Pearl Harbor to be bombed as justification to enter the war. Resin works as well, its wide spread knowledge that OBL in the mid 1990 to early 2000 was suffering from Renal failure, which was more than likely caused by Sarcoidosis and with a little research you would learn that at this point average you could wish to live with prober treatment and conditions is 4 to 6 years, which with reason would bring you to believe he wouldn’t have been alive past 2004. Like I said there is plenty of evidence out there if you look for it, much more credible people than me that say pretty much the same thing.

Generally speaking, the more convoluted the assumption is, the less likely it is to be true.

[pimbertiemoft]

The more we learn about the OBL raid the more it becomes clear that it was an absolute failure in so many ways. First off the WH cant seem to get there story straight on any of their facts, they can’t decide if they’re going to release the photos and that’s just the what makes this whole thing kind of fishy. The big failures are no one was really armed yet they killed like 4 people and shot some girl, they took “OBL” alive and shot him after word, well wouldn’t it have been smarter to capture him put him on trial possibly find out what info we could get from him, than there wouldn’t have been any questions about whether or not it’s the real OBL and they would have more than likely been able to execute after his trial if that’s where they wanted to take it. Also the Black Hawk they had to blow up because of mechanical failures, from most reports was some experimental stealth black hawk, they got pictures of little Pakistan kids picking up the pieces more than likely to send to china. There is a widely used military term that I thank sums this mission up perfectly FUBAR.

The Obama Administration certainly could have handled the flow of information better and I'm continuously surprised with how poorly they handle the media when they're treated with kid gloves by that same media but I think you're really stretching things here. The whole thing looks like an unmitigated success to me.

[VastDrura]

ahoy JDJarvis,

me bucko, in the age 'o Photoshop, pictures mean less and less.

- MeadHallPirate

so the only thing left is gibbeting the remains?

[Konidurase]

How does the Obama administration taking its victory lap in a clown car equate to a failed mission?

[Alexeric]

The more we learn about the OBL raid the more it becomes clear that it was an absolute failure in so many ways. First off the WH cant seem to get there story straight on any of their facts, they can’t decide if they’re going to release the photos and that’s just the what makes this whole thing kind of fishy. The big failures are no one was really armed yet they killed like 4 people and shot some girl, they took “OBL” alive and shot him after word, well wouldn’t it have been smarter to capture him put him on trial possibly find out what info we could get from him, than there wouldn’t have been any questions about whether or not it’s the real OBL and they would have more than likely been able to execute after his trial if that’s where they wanted to take it. Also the Black Hawk they had to blow up because of mechanical failures, from most reports was some experimental stealth black hawk, they got pictures of little Pakistan kids picking up the pieces more than likely to send to china. There is a widely used military term that I thank sums this mission up perfectly FUBAR.

Your reporting is inaccurate.

It was the media that first said that Bin Laden was armed and had used a woman, possibly his wife, as a human shield.

The first time the White House said anything about that was when the Press Secretary, Jay Carney revealed that Bin Laden was unarmed but resistant, while it was another man who had used a woman as a human shield, and that the woman was not Bin Laden's wife.

The White House was very clear about that point. The media and their "unnamed sources" got it wrong.

The White House has not said that they took Bin Laden alive and shot him afterwards. You're either making that up or you got it from a faulty source.

On the photo front, we learned that the President was weighing releasing an image of a dead Bin Laden, but he decided against it because he felt it would be glorifying our sense of vengeance while justice had already been administered.

Again, your reporting is off. When you are in the supermarket weighing whether to buy this peanut butter or that peanut butter, you're in the middle of making a decision; that doesn't make you "indecisive" or "shifty".

President Obama is meeting today with the SEALs who took Bin Laden out, on what Lou Panetta has said was a "kill mission" all the way. To deny the overwhelming success of this mission is to slap those heroes right in the face and to deny them their success as well.

I'm not sure what sources you're looking at on this, but it's all rather straight-forward thus far, particularly when you consider the CIA hardly ever reveals something as clear as "we were on orders to kill Bin Laden".

Now we learn that there was a treasure trove of evidence picked up at the compound, including details on the bombing of trains this upcoming 9/11/11 to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the tragedy.

So they killed Bin Laden and they also got actionable intel in the process that will help us avert another potentially huge attack.

No matter what angle you approach it, this has been one of the most glaring American successes in foreign policy in quite some time, but since this President is not white and his last name ain't Reagan and he's not a Republican, the "carnival barkers" rear their ugly heads once more and are politicizing a most apolitical event and a cause for celebration to all Americans, blue or red.

[mr.memo]

The more we learn about the OBL raid the more it becomes clear that it was an absolute failure in so many ways. First off the WH cant seem to get there story straight on any of their facts, they can’t decide if they’re going to release the photos and that’s just the what makes this whole thing kind of fishy. The big failures are no one was really armed yet they killed like 4 people and shot some girl, they took “OBL” alive and shot him after word, well wouldn’t it have been smarter to capture him put him on trial possibly find out what info we could get from him, than there wouldn’t have been any questions about whether or not it’s the real OBL and they would have more than likely been able to execute after his trial if that’s where they wanted to take it. Also the Black Hawk they had to blow up because of mechanical failures, from most reports was some experimental stealth black hawk, they got pictures of little Pakistan kids picking up the pieces more than likely to send to china. There is a widely used military term that I thank sums this mission up perfectly FUBAR.

I would have preferred they caught him alive and put him on trial, but do you do think the US government would risk him having a forum to air his past activities regarding his role with the CIA, or mention any of the who's who in terms of how he and his organization came to be? No, to be sure, his death was a fait accompli.

Such is the world of secretive governments.

[mr.memo]

The truth is we'll really never know exactly what happened in detail during that night and especially in OBL's room. But I could care less, the bastard is dead that's all that matters to me. Although I would have liked to water-board him for a year or so before I killed him.

That would make you a criminal.

[ebonytipchik]

I would have preferred they caught him alive and put him on trial, but do you do think the US government would risk him having a forum to air his past activities regarding his role with the CIA, or mention any of the who's who in terms of how he and his organization came to be? No, to be sure, his death was a fait accompli.

Such is the world of secretive governments.

Do you find Reynolds Wrap works well for tinfoil hats, or are they too corporate?

[lrtoinbert]

I would have preferred they caught him alive and put him on trial, but do you do think the US government would risk him having a forum to air his past activities regarding his role with the CIA, or mention any of the who's who in terms of how he and his organization came to be? No, to be sure, his death was a fait accompli.

Such is the world of secretive governments.

Either thats true are he was allredy dead, I'm of the belief that Al Qaeda is still a CIA operation and from some reports Ayman al-Zawahiri is on there payroll.

[ebonytipchik]

Either thats true are he was allredy dead, I'm of the belief that Al Qaeda is still a CIA operation and from some reports Ayman al-Zawahiri is on there payroll.

So, Reynold's then. Got it.

[lrtoinbert]

Your reporting is inaccurate.

It was the media that first said that Bin Laden was armed and had used a woman, possibly his wife, as a human shield.

The first time the White House said anything about that was when the Press Secretary, Jay Carney revealed that Bin Laden was unarmed but resistant, while it was another man who had used a woman as a human shield, and that the woman was not Bin Laden's wife.

The White House was very clear about that point. The media and their "unnamed sources" got it wrong.

The White House has not said that they took Bin Laden alive and shot him afterwards. You're either making that up or you got it from a faulty source.

On the photo front, we learned that the President was weighing releasing an image of a dead Bin Laden, but he decided against it because he felt it would be glorifying our sense of vengeance while justice had already been administered.

Again, your reporting is off. When you are in the supermarket weighing whether to buy this peanut butter or that peanut butter, you're in the middle of making a decision; that doesn't make you "indecisive" or "shifty".

President Obama is meeting today with the SEALs who took Bin Laden out, on what Lou Panetta has said was a "kill mission" all the way. To deny the overwhelming success of this mission is to slap those heroes right in the face and to deny them their success as well.

I'm not sure what sources you're looking at on this, but it's all rather straight-forward thus far, particularly when you consider the CIA hardly ever reveals something as clear as "we were on orders to kill Bin Laden".

Now we learn that there was a treasure trove of evidence picked up at the compound, including details on the bombing of trains this upcoming 9/11/11 to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the tragedy.

So they killed Bin Laden and they also got actionable intel in the process that will help us avert another potentially huge attack.

No matter what angle you approach it, this has been one of the most glaring American successes in foreign policy in quite some time, but since this President is not white and his last name ain't Reagan and he's not a Republican, the "carnival barkers" rear their ugly heads once more and are politicizing a most apolitical event and a cause for celebration to all Americans, blue or red.

UBL daughter said what? and there are more but im not going to link them all.

Daughter: Bin Laden was taken alive - World - NZ Herald News

THE DAILY STAR :: News :: Politics :: Daughter says bin Laden captured alive then killed: report

this is intresting to, espechly some of the comments at the bottom, and yes Alex is kinda of an idiot man child but the guest is extremly credible.

Before It's News

First off Carney is a babbling idiot who should probly go back to his last job because I don't think he can handle being press sec. I got sources how can you determine if it’s faulty, OI assume you will say it’s faulty if it’s something you don't read. They could have avoided the whole picture thing is they would have obeyed American law, I was in the Army and know the rules of engagement, shooting someone who is unarmed and not a threat to anyone else is murder clear and simple, in America we are supposed be civilized, I realize we are far from it, but the right thing to do would be put him on trial, if it were really him.

So from the angle I’m approaching it seems like a fail mission, utterly and totally a fail mission.

[lrtoinbert]

So, Reynold's then. Got it.

?????????

[attishina]

They could have avoided the whole picture thing is they would have obeyed American law, I was in the Army and know the rules of engagement, shooting someone who is unarmed and not a threat to anyone else is murder clear and simple, in America we are supposed be civilized, I realize we are far from it, but the right thing to do would be put him on trial, if it were really him.

Whether or not we're civilized is subjective. I would assume that we attempted to get Osama alive but that it didn't work out for one reason or another. Even if you assume that the American government is evil and thoroughly self-serving, apprehending Osama alive is the most practical course of action for interrogation purposes.

Perhaps, we did get him alive and that's why no pictures are being released, so that we can interrogate him without demands for a trial.

[roundman]

Who cares?

I mean Osama was shot. That's a roughly the same result as a criminal trial.

The rules of engagement may or may not have tended towards triggerhappy, but they were clearly exercising much better judgement than some of the private security contractors in Iraq. Or even drone attacks in Pakistan.