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Arizona Gov. Brewer Vetoes Bill to Allow Guns on Public College Campuses - FoxNews.com

Brewer vetoes birther, campus gun bills


This evening AZ Gov Jan Brewer, of transplant-cutting and racial profiling fame, vetoed bills that would require the President as well as any other presidential candidates to show proof of citizenship via either long form birth certificate, baptism or circumcision certificate as well as a very unpopular bill to allow guns to be carried on AZ campuses.

"I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for President (sic) of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their "early baptismal or circumcision certificates" among other records to the Arizona Secretary of State. This is a bridge too far", wrote the Governor.

With these developments just in, does Brewer hurt hurself vis-a-vis Tea Party support? Time will surely tell, but both vetoes this evening are welcome news from a state that has been in the spotlight for very controversial reasons over the last year or so.

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Arizona Gov. Brewer Vetoes Bill to Allow Guns on Public College Campuses - FoxNews.com

Brewer vetoes birther, campus gun bills


This evening AZ Gov Jan Brewer, of transplant-cutting and racial profiling fame, vetoed bills that would require the President as well as any other presidential candidates to show proof of citizenship via either long form birth certificate, baptism or circumcision certificate as well as a very unpopular bill to allow guns to be carried on AZ campuses.

"I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for President (sic) of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their "early baptismal or circumcision certificates" among other records to the Arizona Secretary of State. This is a bridge too far", wrote the Governor.

With these developments just in, does Brewer hurt hurself vis-a-vis Tea Party support? Time will surely tell, but both vetoes this evening are welcome news from a state that has been in the spotlight for very controversial reasons over the last year or so.

Good for her, even politically for her own self-interest which I'm sure was part of it, never mind just doing the right thing.

The gun bill was something that was too politically controversial and was working its way into the overall very negative image of AZ and especially the AZ GOP that's been developing. I'm even saying that as a gun owner and general supporter of gun rights. Given all the other controversial stuff hitting her desk and its current unpopularity there, it's an argument better raised for another day for those who think it's a good bill IMO. That's especially so given the companion Birther bill landing on her desk.

She did herself and the GOP a HUGE favour there by torpedoing that Birther bill IMO. It's already being discussed here and I was putting in my views why that bill was just making the whole Birther thing more absurd than it already is:

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/stat...tizenship.html

The idea that a POTUS would ever be required to produce a record describing whether or not his wing got clipped to appease the current Birthers is a bill that needed to be clipped itself with the veto pen.

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I think she's done the right thing. Good thing for her that she only just faced the voters as no doubt the Tea Partiers won't be happy with her, and if she was running next year she'd see a primary challenge.

It's a bill that should never have been drafted. Surely the Arizona state legislature has more important things to do with their time ... like actually crafting legislation that will economically assist their state, instead of focusing on rubbish like this.

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I don't really think she had much choice. I think she is doing well.

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The other factor that is finally dawning on Republicans is that the TEA Party folks are running out of steam. Tax Day was this weekend. For the past 2 years TEA Party rallies have drawn large crowds but this year the rallies have numbered in the tens instead of in the thousands. Republicans looking for TEA Party support are about to be left stranded on the beach with no one around them to fan 'em and feed 'em. My bet is that by the time the Iowa caucuses get here, the TEA Party will just be a memory and their stuff will just become collector's items for collectors 25 years from now.

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The other factor that is finally dawning on Republicans is that the TEA Party folks are running out of steam. Tax Day was this weekend. For the past 2 years TEA Party rallies have drawn large crowds but this year the rallies have numbered in the tens instead of in the thousands. Republicans looking for TEA Party support are about to be left stranded on the beach with no one around them to fan 'em and feed 'em. My bet is that by the time the Iowa caucuses get here, the TEA Party will just be a memory and their stuff will just become collector's items for collectors 25 years from now.

And how much would you care to lose on that bet? Because frankly that's easy money for me.

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Honestly, I support allowing guns on college campuses. In some areas, it might actually improve security. It worked for the University of Utah, for example.

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I don't understand about not allowing guns on college campuses, cause we all know the "no guns, alcohol, or drugs" signs work so well don't they. If someone is willing to break the law and go shoot somebody, then obviously the law doesn't matter to them and they are gonna be carrying a gun on campus regardless of the rules. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea for concealed weapons license carriers only to be allowed to conceal a weapon. At least give them a sporting chance when some nut with a bad childhood decides to shoot everyone in sight because somebody made fun of him for the last time.

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She can count on retiring after this term, if she's allowed to complete it. The gun bill was fairly controversial, the eligibilty bill wasn't. She won't be re-elected, for sure. Az has recalled a governor before & the petition to recall her is already out there.

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She can count on retiring after this term, if she's allowed to complete it. The gun bill was fairly controversial, the eligibilty bill wasn't. She won't be re-elected, for sure. Az has recalled a governor before & the petition to recall her is already out there.

If they recall her over repealing a birther bill, that doesn't speak very highly of the people of Arizona. It would essentially confirm what a lot of the rest of the country assumes about that state.

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That we want to know for sure the person on the ballot is a natural born citizen? That we actually want to follow the constitution? Or, what the left says?

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I'm in Arizona, and I honestly don't believe that voters here would be dumb enough to elect Brewer again. I didn't vote for her this time (I voted for Goddard), and I won't vote for her next time. Even very conservative folks I know are regretting their votes that helped put Brewer in office, and missing Napolitano. There's a huge push here to recall her and Russell Pearce. You know that she is the only governor in the U.S. who has no college degree? In fact, I think she has a GED vs. a high school diploma. Regardless, good to see that someone somewhere talked at least some sense into her - getting her to veto these two ridiculous bills. Arizona has real issues to deal with.

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The other factor that is finally dawning on Republicans is that the TEA Party folks are running out of steam. Tax Day was this weekend. For the past 2 years TEA Party rallies have drawn large crowds but this year the rallies have numbered in the tens instead of in the thousands. Republicans looking for TEA Party support are about to be left stranded on the beach with no one around them to fan 'em and feed 'em. My bet is that by the time the Iowa caucuses get here, the TEA Party will just be a memory and their stuff will just become collector's items for collectors 25 years from now.

You wish. Remember the mid-terms, in 2012 the Senate will be controlled by the Pubs and Obama will be GONE.

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That we want to know for sure the person on the ballot is a natural born citizen? That we actually want to follow the constitution? Or, what the left says?

It's not just the left. Plenty of moderate Republicans I'm friends with are embarassed about the birther thing the same way that a lot of Democrats were embarassed by the truther thing.

Arizona seems to be a magnet for far right conspiracy theories.

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I think she's done the right thing. Good thing for her that she only just faced the voters as no doubt the Tea Partiers won't be happy with her, and if she was running next year she'd see a primary challenge.

It's a bill that should never have been drafted. Surely the Arizona state legislature has more important things to do with their time ... like actually crafting legislation that will economically assist their state, instead of focusing on rubbish like this.

In the words of Jan Brewer herself, "We have did what is right for Arizona."

[Shootohoist]

I'm in Arizona, and I honestly don't believe that voters here would be dumb enough to elect Brewer again. I didn't vote for her this time (I voted for Goddard), and I won't vote for her next time. Even very conservative folks I know are regretting their votes that helped put Brewer in office, and missing Napolitano. There's a huge push here to recall her and Russell Pearce. You know that she is the only governor in the U.S. who has no college degree? In fact, I think she has a GED vs. a high school diploma. Regardless, good to see that someone somewhere talked at least some sense into her - getting her to veto these two ridiculous bills. Arizona has real issues to deal with.

Fortunately Goddard didn't get in. Could you imagine the disaster we'd be dealing with now? I guarantee Intel wouldn't be coming here. Phew! No one, I mean NO ONE misses Incompitano. Not even my liberal friends. Russell Pearce? Not a chance he gets recalled. He'll be the next Gov. Brewer has truned her back on the people that elected her 3 times now. The legitimacy bill was the last straw. Recall or election, she won't be back.

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It's not just the left. Plenty of moderate Republicans I'm friends with are embarassed about the birther thing the same way that a lot of Democrats were embarassed by the truther thing.

Arizona seems to be a magnet for far right conspiracy theories.

Well, if FINALLY creating a law to enforce the Constitutional requirements for President is a far right conspiracy, so be it. It's something that should have been done 200 years ago, imo. There are several other states working on similar bills. They're all conspiracy theorists too?

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Well, if FINALLY creating a law to enforce the Constitutional requirements for President is a far right conspiracy, so be it. It's something that should have been done 200 years ago, imo. There are several other states working on similar bills. They're all conspiracy theorists too?

Hysteria is a contagious thing. We see it on both sides.

If you want to pass a law that is completely redundant and reeks of paranoia, be my guest. It's your state.

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Hysteria is a contagious thing. We see it on both sides.

If you want to pass a law that is completely redundant and reeks of paranoia, be my guest. It's your state.

How is it redundant? At the moment there is no enforcement mechanism for Article II. That bill would have created one for the very first time.

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How is it redundant? At the moment there is no enforcement mechanism for Article II. That bill would have created one for the very first time.

This is an honest question. Do you really believe that the federal government would allow someone that isn't native born to be president?

I don't exactly put that much trust in our government, but I at least put enough into it to believe that something that basic wouldn't be overlooked or covered up by the feds just so someone could retain the office.

If you do actually believe that it would do something like that, then we're dealing with a much bigger problem than any lack of a birth certificate.