[Percocetti]

Ah yes, the old Repub filabuster obstructionism, how easily the Cons forget it, or ignore it, hoping folks just won't remember.

The TP, is serving the Repub Party in great ways! I hope they continue to do so.

The Repub's could not stop anything the Dem's wanted to pass they have the 60 votes, oh forgot they had the 60 votes until the American people took all that away.

And yes the TP is serving the Repub's in really great ways, they want to stop the out of control spending by the Dem's that have pushed our national debt to 15 trillion and adding 1.5 trillion a yr. All to the great leadership of the Dem's.

[urbalatte]

Democrats are not good at getting the message out. In fact, I don't believe they believe in their own message. They're quite a worthless party, only Republicans being worse - with a two-party system, where does that leave us?

Like I always say, they're both crime-syndicates masquerading as political parties.

100% agreed. If you want a dependable liberal party, you have to move somewhere else. Canada has the NDP, for example. Unfortunately, we have no equivalent to them.

[strollerssfsfs]

lol, i love how everyone is trying to lay blame.. Republicns should just stay on message.. SPENDING NEEDS TO BE CUT.. Simple.. if you dont agree vote for democrats.

[Percocetti]

lol, i love how everyone is trying to lay blame.. Republicns should just stay on message.. SPENDING NEEDS TO BE CUT.. Simple.. if you dont agree vote for democrats.

It really is that simple,

[strollerssfsfs]

It really is that simple,

If I were running for president that would be my campaign slogan.. plain and simple.

[SpeavaJap]

The bottom line is that the Republican Congress passed an extension to keep the government from shutting down. They passed an extension to keep countless people working for at least another week.

The position that Obama has taken is that he's willing to allow the government to shut down, and that he doesn't give a flying fuck about people who don't get to go to work next week.

That's about my take on it.

They're both acting like little kids but the Democrats just put the nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.

I commented yesterday on how astromomically fucking stupid it is for the Republicans to be pushing to defund Planned Parenthood, since it's such a transparent idiological ploy. I still hold them responsible for getting us all tangled up in this mess.

If cutting spending is THE objective then grab your balls, show some fucking leadership, and start by cutting only programs that are important to Republicans. If you want to be a leader you head to the front and then yell "follow me" over your shoulder.

But the Republicans can't do that because they're a bunch of pussies. Not leaders, but job security obsessed bureaucrats. They'd rather get in a pissing match with the opposition over petty bullshit and then cry and blame like little girls.

Of course the Democrats are acting like fucking babies too, allowing the whole of the federal government to come to a screeching halt in order to protect a single $400 million dollar program.

But for the Republicans to put forward a plan and for the Democrats to slap their hand in order to make a point if fucking bullshit.

[SpeavaJap]

lol, i love how everyone is trying to lay blame.. Republicns should just stay on message.. SPENDING NEEDS TO BE CUT.. Simple.. if you dont agree vote for democrats.

Bullshit.

The Republican message is YOUR spending needs to be cut - MY spending is essential.

If the Republicans came out and cut $100 billion from programs and causes that were important to THEIR constituents and then explained that SPENDING NEEDS TO BE CUT and they were going to take the lead, then I'd call them worthy of my vote.

[strollerssfsfs]

Bullshit.

The Republican message is YOUR spending needs to be cut - MY spending is essential.

If the Republicans came out and cut $100 billion from programs and causes that were important to THEIR constituents and then explained that SPENDING NEEDS TO BE CUT and they were going to take the lead, then I'd call them worthy of my vote.

agree some of them are pigs too...

I guess I meant GOOD Republicans... there are not many..

20% every program... every single one..

[SpeavaJap]

agree some of them are pigs too...

I guess I meant GOOD Republicans... there are not many..

20% every program... every single one..

Shit, I'd be happy with 5% across-the-board.

Piss everyone off at the same time and give America a wake-up call.

But the thing is, if Republicans proposed 5% across-the-board cuts the Democrats would fight them to a standstill and it would never get annywhere.

Guess who'd win the next election?

If government pay weren't so shitty I'd get in on the racket.

[Percocetti]

Bullshit.

The Republican message is YOUR spending needs to be cut - MY spending is essential.

If the Republicans came out and cut $100 billion from programs and causes that were important to THEIR constituents and then explained that SPENDING NEEDS TO BE CUT and they were going to take the lead, then I'd call them worthy of my vote.

Well you have to sort out what the Republicans are wanting to cut. Ryan just came out and laid out his spending cut program of over 6 trillion in the next ten yrs. So it's right in front for everyone to see. The Dem's as of yet have no spending cut plan. In fact the debt commission that Obama hired he threw their suggestions in the trash. So much for spending cuts from the Dem's, there is none.

[Cd9JfGHR]

I have one question for those that say there was no budget passed by the Democrats because of Republican filibuster. How did Obama Care get passed?

[SpeavaJap]

Well you have to sort out what the Republicans are wanting to cut. Ryan just came out and laid out his spending cut program of over 6 trillion in the next ten yrs. So it's right in front for everyone to see. The Dem's as of yet have no spending cut plan. In fact the debt commission that Obama hired he threw their suggestions in the trash. So much for spending cuts from the Dem's, there is none.

Yeah, right, got it.

That doesn't mean that the Republican plan has to be stupid, idiological or petty or that they have to act like a bunch of fucking babies behind it.

I also don't care what kind of bullshit anyone has on the agenda over the next ten years. Great that they're planning for it, good initiative, cheers and all that - but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference right now and certainly isn't something to hold up as a major accomplishment when you can't even get shit right now.

"Hey guys, we're all fucked up now but if you follow my 10 year plan everything will be peachy".



I'd love to go home tonight and lay out my 10 year plan for buying a Conquest 345, and it would be good one, but if I tried to convince my wife that buying a boat at the expense of paying our bills was actually a good thing she'd kick me in the ass.

Understand that I'm not one of those guys who picks a side and then acts like "we've" got all the answers and the other side just wants to kill kittens. My comments in this thread are not intended to reflect any credit at all upon the Democrats. I'm just beating up on Republicans here because it's a GOP thread and the GOP deserves it. I'm addressing Democrat intransigence and stupidity in other threads.

[Percocetti]

Yeah, right, got it.

That doesn't mean that the Republican plan has to be stupid, idiological or petty or that they have to act like a bunch of fucking babies behind it.

I also don't care what kind of bullshit anyone has on the agenda over the next ten years. Great that they're planning for it, good initiative, cheers and all that - but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference right now and certainly isn't something to hold up as a major accomplishment when you can't even get shit right now.

"Hey guys, we're all fucked up now but if you follow my 10 year plan everything will be peachy".



I'd love to go home tonight and lay out my 10 year plan for buying a Conquest 345, and it would be good one, but if I tried to convince my wife that buying a boat at the expense of paying our bills was actually a good thing she'd kick me in the ass.

Understand that I'm not one of those guys who picks a side and then acts like "we've" got all the answers and the other side just wants to kill kittens. My comments in this thread are not intended to reflect any credit at all upon the Democrats. I'm just beating up on Republicans here because it's a GOP thread and the GOP deserves it. I'm addressing Democrat intransigence and stupidity in other threads.

There is thing called a "Business Plan" and the Pub's have one and the Dem's do not. If you like what the Pub's have, then vote for them in 2012 or vote for the guys with no "Plan". It's pretty simple, one is cutting spending and the other is more borrow and spend. Make your choice.

[SpeavaJap]

There is thing called a "Business Plan" and the Pub's have one and the Dem's do not.

Having a plan and having a good, useful plan are two different things.

If the rest of the plan looks anything like cutting $400 million from Planned Parenthood while leaving $40 billion in subsidies to big oil untouched I'd say it's a pretty shitty plan that only an ideologue or a moron would be impressed by.

But hey, at least they've gott a plan!

If you like what the Pub's have, then vote for them in 2012 or vote for the guys with no "Plan". I can't tell you who I'm gonna vote for just now.

I can tell you thhat I'm no more impressed with one side than I am with the other.

Plans and other shiny objects not withstanding.

It's pretty simple, one is cutting spending and the other is more borrow and spend. Neither is cutting spending in any signifigant way.

If my household is $1000 a month over budget and I decide that to remedy that situation I'm gonna tell my wife that she can't spend $1.00 a month on People magazine while not making any signifigant cuts to my own spending or any further cuts to the household spending then I'm not cutting spending.

What the Republicans are doing is trying to score points with their partisan constituents by putting on this pathetic fucking circus while holding up some "plan" that's gonna change 100 times in the next week, to say nothing of whhat'll become of it over the next ten years.

Make your choice. Well lemme see.

We've got shit on the one side, and shit on the other.

I'm gonna have to think about this a while.

I guess I'll just wait and see which side one-ups the other with some stupid partisan ploy at the last minute. That should always be the deciding factor.



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[Varbaiskkic]

I also don't care what kind of bullshit anyone has on the agenda over the next ten years. Great that they're planning for it, good initiative, cheers and all that - but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference right now and certainly isn't something to hold up as a major accomplishment when you can't even get shit right now.

*pauses and considers*

ahoy Soot!

imma glad ye bought this up, oh acerbic Soot.

one thing that has always nettled me be this; that rosy plans fer the fiscal bliss 'o our budget always reside at the tail end 'o plans that extend beyond the reign 'o each president.

it strikes me as kinda dishonest.

its like (fer example) President Obama sayin', "My plan is to make mincing steps towards budgetary sanity, but in 2017 the axe will fall!

YARRRR!

in my plan the slashin' 'o government budgets will will commence".

'tis all kinda loony.

that bein' said, i don't want this generation to have to pay fer all the madness that hath occured in the last 40 years, at least not all once. its me prime earnin' years, afterall...i don't wanna see draconian measures taken all at once, aye?

- MeadHallPirate

[Darlmtgq]

There was no budget last year because of the Republican filibuster obstructionism remember?

No Danny, that is not true. No budget was ever submitted last year. They didn't even write one. It was done purposely because the elections were coming up and the Democrats didn't want people to know how much the deficit was going to be because it would have hurt them even worse at the polls.

[Darlmtgq]

Because the Republicans filibustered (or threatened filibuster). Short memory?

Which budget was that? The one never written?

[Darlmtgq]

I have one question for those that say there was no budget passed by the Democrats because of Republican filibuster. How did Obama Care get passed?

The Democrats had a filibuster proof Senate at that time.

[Percocetti]

Having a plan and having a good, useful plan are two different things.

If the rest of the plan looks anything like cutting $400 million from Planned Parenthood while leaving $40 billion in subsidies to big oil untouched I'd say it's a pretty shitty plan that only an ideologue or a moron would be impressed by.

But hey, at least they've gott a plan!



I can't tell you who I'm gonna vote for just now.

I can tell you thhat I'm no more impressed with one side than I am with the other.

Plans and other shiny objects not withstanding.



Neither is cutting spending in any signifigant way.

If my household is $1000 a month over budget and I decide that to remedy that situation I'm gonna tell my wife that she can't spend $1.00 a month on People magazine while not making any signifigant cuts to my own spending or any further cuts to the household spending then I'm not cutting spending.

What the Republicans are doing is trying to score points with their partisan constituents by putting on this pathetic fucking circus while holding up some "plan" that's gonna change 100 times in the next week, to say nothing of whhat'll become of it over the next ten years.


Well lemme see.

We've got shit on the one side, and shit on the other.

I'm gonna have to think about this a while.

I guess I'll just wait and see which side one-ups the other with some stupid partisan ploy at the last minute. That should always be the deciding factor.
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At least the Pub's have a plan, the Dem's had no plan last yr as they never submitted a budget, and they have no plan this yr. The Dem's once again do not want to cut anything, yet you blame the Pubs for wanting to cut. The fact is the Pub's want cuts and the Dem's do not. Now me I don't much care what they cut as long as we're cutting. And the only party doing that is the pubs. Until the Dem's come up with a plan that cuts more than the Pub's I'm sticking with the Pub's. It's really pretty simple

[QRhnNSg9]

There you go, did you not know the Dem's had 60 votes and as I said could pass anything any time they wanted. The Pub's could not stop anything. Study up and speak of the facts.

As for the FOX news comment, it seems you have it wrong not knowing the Dem's had the 60 votes to pass what ever they wanted. Maybe you should watch FOX and learn something that is going on in the real world.

The Democrats did not have 60 votes. Scott Brown's election changed that dynamic in February of last year.

I wish you'd pay attention so I can stop schooling you. Or at the very least, learn about the subject you wish to argue about.

I mean, you didn't even know what a procedural filibuster was. Yikes!