[Peapeuddedbaw]

If it's the Democrats' "badge of honor" why's the deficit jump so high so fast when the Republicans are in charge?

Dems plan ahead. They make mandatory programs which last for decades and costs 100% of the revenue, then demonize anyone who tries to stop it. Deficits jump up with Republicans are in charge because Dems have already spent all the money for decades ahead. Which means no money left to defend the country or provide justice.

[Peapeuddedbaw]

Currently entitlements are 40% of the budget. And I am no way suggesting that Social Security and Medicare doesn't need to be addressed--it does.

But it's obvious we have morons in both houses--including the white house- that are not serious about addressing these issues--and they are continuing down a path that will financially destroy this country if they don't.

Shutting down the federal government while people on social security still get their checks may throw some water over some heads. Especially if they see that the American public really is not throwing a fit over seeing their favorite beaurocrat behind their desk--he.he.

There is no budget. Entitlements are 60% of spending, and 100% of revenue.

[Lymneterfeiff]

Dems plan ahead. They make mandatory programs which last for decades and costs 100% of the revenue, then demonize anyone who tries to stop it. Deficits jump up with Republicans are in charge because Dems have already spent all the money for decades ahead. Which means no money left to defend the country or provide justice.

Really, jviehe?

Have you seen the Democrats?

[ljq0AYOV]

ahoy Oreo,

may i vote "no", without the "never shut it down no matter how bad the deficit gets" part?

aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Well then--how bad does the deficit have to get before you would be O.K. with shutting it down? You know the deeper we cycle down into this debt--the harder it's going to be to climb out of it.

[ljq0AYOV]

There is no budget. Entitlements are 60% of spending, and 100% of revenue.

I believe that when you include military spending along with entitlements that represents 60% of the federal budget.

But what in the heck do you mean by 100% of revenue??

[ljq0AYOV]

Exactly - the whole mess of 'em. It's not one side's thing - they've all been racking up the debt.

You're right again--Pram They've all had a hand in this mess. But you must admit that it is Republican politicians that are taking this much more seriously than Democrats are right now.

[QwOpHGyZ]

ahoy Oreo,

may i vote "no", without the "never shut it down no matter how bad the deficit gets" part?

aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Yeah, this poll reminded me of all the fox polls, make the answer you don't want look as nasty as possible

My vote was no, but I have the same caveat.

[nryFBa9i]

Pleeeeeeeeeease shut it down. Repubs have already lost the union vote in '12, why not add all the old people on SS to the mix!!!

No but seriously all this talk about Dem's spending is malarkey. The shortfalls were all projected before Obama set foot in the friggen Oval Office lol. Name some bills other than the stimulus that Dems passed that added to the deficit? Name one! Actually the Dems' net effect has been a reduction of the projected deficit via healthcare reform. I cannot take anyone seriously making the claim that somehow the deficit is a Democratic created problem.

BTW pleeeease shut down the government Republicans. Overreach like Walker in WI.

[Opinion_counts]

Shutting down the federal government would mean shutting down America, would it not?

Yes, I can see that you are paying a shiltoad of taxes to these cunts, compared to what you pay to your respective states. But who should run the military then - just to name ONE example?

[QwOpHGyZ]

He did qualify some of these issues in his original post. But I wanna know how we are giving tax breaks if we are about to shut down the government?

[Opinion_counts]

He did qualify some of these issues in his original post. But I wanna know how we are giving tax breaks if we are about to shut down the government?

With a federal taxation so extreme the feds MUST provide various of other "services" than the military, and what is mentioned in the OP.

For comparison, we onlly pay 1% of each EU countrys budget to our socalled federal government. But keep in mind that the EU is propably tenfold worse than your federal government when it comes to wasting money and scamming its citizens.

[Lymneterfeiff]

You're right again--Pram They've all had a hand in this mess. But you must admit that it is Republican politicians that are taking this much more seriously than Democrats are right now.

I don't know - I think the Republican politicians are doing a better job at grandstanding and are doing a good job at making the Democrats look bad.

The economists seem to be pretty consistently bashing both sides and saying "uh, guys, you're both completely missing it."

[bellson]

Dude we're in the middle of a pair of wars and we seem quickly headed into a 3rd. Shutting down the Feds would be a poor choice, and damn near suicidal considering today's political climate. No thanks.

[refsherne]

What a bullshit "poll."

Yes: shut it down as long as essential services are paid for
No: never shut it down no matter how bad the deficit gets

Oh, how cute.

These are called leading questions, directing the results in a way you want them to be.

Obviously.

[refsherne]

The economists seem to be pretty consistently bashing both sides and saying "uh, guys, you're both completely missing it."

If you only judge these things by what you hear in the "mainstream media," then you almost always get the impression that both sides are roughly equally valid, because the mainstream media doesn't want to appear partisan. The GOP has taken advantage of this reluctance by the media to call a spade a spade for years.

That's why people think there honestly is a roughly even dispute within science about global warming, when in fact there is nothing like that.
That's why people don't know that most economists understand that cutting spending now will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and threaten the recovery.

I'll be curious to see if the mainstream media even bothers to cover the outrage in Wisconsin the next few days. Maybe a few minutes here and there, then back to coverage of Charlie Sheen.

[ljq0AYOV]

With a federal taxation so extreme the feds MUST provide various of other "services" than the military, and what is mentioned in the OP.

For comparison, we onlly pay 1% of each EU countrys budget to our socalled federal government. But keep in mind that the EU is propably tenfold worse than your federal government when it comes to wasting money and scamming its citizens.

Out of curiousity what is the EU's unemployment rate? Really I don't know how any other country could be more incompetent with the taxpayer dollars than the United States. Republicans are ripping apart the budget--and what is being reported is absurd. We're paying some government agencies 3 times--another 108 BILLION dollars of wasteful spending was just found in Obamacare. It goes on and on--and is being reported every single day even on liberal main stream media--and Americans are getting really pissed about it.

[ljq0AYOV]

If you only judge these things by what you hear in the "mainstream media," then you almost always get the impression that both sides are roughly equally valid, because the mainstream media doesn't want to appear partisan. The GOP has taken advantage of this reluctance by the media to call a spade a spade for years.

That's why people think there honestly is a roughly even dispute within science about global warming, when in fact there is nothing like that.
That's why people don't know that most economists understand that cutting spending now will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and threaten the recovery.

I'll be curious to see if the mainstream media even bothers to cover the outrage in Wisconsin the next few days. Maybe a few minutes here and there, then back to coverage of Charlie Sheen.

Threaten what recovery--LOL? There is none. As far as jobs being "threatened". No one in the private sector is going to lose a job over a temporary government shut down. If they do not take this budget crises seriously right here and now--I am not optomistic about the future of this country.

So shut the dam thing down--before these morons do more damage.

[ljq0AYOV]

Dude we're in the middle of a pair of wars and we seem quickly headed into a 3rd. Shutting down the Feds would be a poor choice, and damn near suicidal considering today's political climate. No thanks.

Don't worry--the wars will continue even if the federal government shuts down. You can count on the military still getting funding along with social security and medicare receipiants.

Really--the only thing you'll miss is your favorite beaurocrat sleeping behind his desk. In fact the overwhelming majority of Americans wouldn't even notice a federal government shut-down.

Think of the money we taxpayers could save--LOL

[ljq0AYOV]

What a bullshit "poll."

Yes: shut it down as long as essential services are paid for
No: never shut it down no matter how bad the deficit gets

Oh, how cute.

These are called leading questions, directing the results in a way you want them to be.

Obviously.

Well just close your eye's & maybe that 14 trillion dollar deficit will just disappear all by itself--

[QwOpHGyZ]

$$$$$$$$$ With nearly 1/5th of the world's wealth, we are told we need to shut down the federal government. Wow, where is all that money at? If only there were individuals with thousands of times more wealth than the average hard working American that we could make pitch in more. But no, that would be too easy.