[Laqswrnm]

Has everyone heard that upon the filing of a lawsuit that the law in Wisconsin recently passed may not have been passed legally. The judge issued an injunction preventing the law from taking effect upon the mere filing of the lawsuit. The law was not found to be passed illegally by the judge as the proceedings have not yet occurred.

Now, contrast that to Obamacare. A judge DID issue a final ruling that it IS unconstitutional (not merely in violation of technicality of legislative procedure) and gave 7 days for the administration to stop enforcing the vacated law. The Obama administration is ignoring the ruling and continuing to implement Obamacare.

[Johnny]

Has everyone heard that upon the filing of a lawsuit that the law in Wisconsin recently passed may not have been passed legally. The judge issued an injunction preventing the law from taking effect upon the mere filing of the lawsuit. The law was not found to be passed illegally by the judge as the proceedings have not yet occurred.

Now, contrast that to Obamacare. A judge DID issue a final ruling that it IS unconstitutional (not merely in violation of technicality of legislative procedure) and gave 7 days for the administration to stop enforcing the vacated law. The Obama administration is ignoring the ruling and continuing to implement Obamacare.

I think these judges on Obamacare are tied at the moment. If it's a democrat judge--Obamacare is legal--if it's a republican judge it's not. I wish they would just get it up to the US supremes and have it done with.

However--in Wisconsin--from what I understand this judge overstepped her authority in making this decision. Again legislating from the bench. The law in Wisconsin as written by the legislature never called for a 24-hour notice prior to a hearing?

Lawmakers are going to appeal her decision tomorrow. Regardless--democrats are back in session and republicans can easily pass this bill now. It's really a no win situation for the public workers union in Wisconsin.

IOW--they're done.

[Laqswrnm]

I think these judges on Obamacare are tied at the moment.

This is not some kind of game with a scoring system involving ties. LOL Obama did not wait for a tie to stop enforcing DOMA.

[Laqswrnm]

I wish they would just get it up to the US supremes and have it done with.

Especially in light of Article III, Section 2:

In all Cases ... in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.

[beloveds]

I think these judges on Obamacare are tied at the moment.

More to the point, the ACA is a federal law, which means ultimately it needs to be decided by the Supreme Court. A district court could pass an injunction, but it would have no force outside that district, which for a federal law is not a common practice.

Regardless--democrats are back in session and republicans can easily pass this bill now. It's really a no win situation for the public workers union in Wisconsin.

IOW--they're done. Oh, no, they're not! First of all, there's nothing to stop the Democrats from doing exactly what they did before. If this move was illegal, then any future move to do the same thing would be, too. Second, there's the recall petition. Third, there's next year's election. And fourth -- although I'm sure it won't come to that -- there's revolution.

It's not anywhere near over. Until this effort to kill organized labor is beaten -- or, if necessary, overturned -- it won't be over.

[Johnny]

More to the point, the ACA is a federal law, which means ultimately it needs to be decided by the Supreme Court. A district court could pass an injunction, but it would have no force outside that district, which for a federal law is not a common practice.



Oh, no, they're not! First of all, there's nothing to stop the Democrats from doing exactly what they did before. If this move was illegal, then any future move to do the same thing would be, too. Second, there's the recall petition. Third, there's next year's election. And fourth -- although I'm sure it won't come to that -- there's revolution.

It's not anywhere near over. Until this effort to kill organized labor is beaten -- or, if necessary, overturned -- it won't be over.

Well Dragontalk you're a little mis-informed on the Wisconsin issue. The judge in this case--in her final comment told Republicans "if they wanted to give a 24 hour notice" and do this over she would be O.K. with it. Henceforth--if dems. decide they're going to cut and run again--24 hours later there will not exist a public union in the state of Wisconsin.

It's OVER.---IOW Checkmate:

She did note, however, that Republican lawmakers were free to pass the bill again, provided they notified the public in advance.

Legislative leaders echoed the sentiment and wondered whether a county judge even had the authority to override the legislature. “Dane County always seems to play by its own rules, but this morning we saw a Dane County judge try to re-write the constitutional separation of powers,” Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald and Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald said in a joint statement released following the ruling.

“We fully expect an appeals court will find that the Legislature followed the law perfectly and likely find that today’s ruling was a significant overreach. We highly doubt a Dane County judge has the authority to tell the Legislature how to carry out its constitutional duty,” the statement read. “In the meantime, both houses of the Legislature will continue working to create jobs, improve the economy, and balance the state budget.” http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....nsin-union-law

[MrGunjMan_]

More to the point, the ACA is a federal law, which means ultimately it needs to be decided by the Supreme Court. A district court could pass an injunction, but it would have no force outside that district, which for a federal law is not a common practice.



Oh, no, they're not! First of all, there's nothing to stop the Democrats from doing exactly what they did before. If this move was illegal, then any future move to do the same thing would be, too. Second, there's the recall petition. Third, there's next year's election. And fourth -- although I'm sure it won't come to that -- there's revolution.

It's not anywhere near over. Until this effort to kill organized labor is beaten -- or, if necessary, overturned -- it won't be over.

I've been anxious to get up to Wisconsin and talk to my old club up there, mostly Republicans and many union members, although they are not in public unions. I started off the conversation about the, "Interesting Govs they've had, a wrestler and now Walker." Only 1 person really defended Walker, and took the line about Public Unions taking money from the tax payers. The union members understood exactly what was being taken away, and that they'd already given into the money part of it. Some were quiet, but thought the Senate should listen to the people of the state, and that they had not done so.

From this group of bikers, covering all walks of like, I see a hard time for the GOP Senate members in either being recalled or voted out in the next election.

[mobbemeatiedy]

Sorry, it's not over until all the Rethuglicans are locked up and imprisoned in the middle of Jupiter. They will forever keep trying to end the union.

[LarryRda]

There ya have it folks.........the long term effects of NorCal creeper.

[beloveds]

Well Dragontalk you're a little mis-informed on the Wisconsin issue. The judge in this case--in her final comment told Republicans "if they wanted to give a 24 hour notice" and do this over she would be O.K. with it. Henceforth--if dems. decide they're going to cut and run again--24 hours later there will not exist a public union in the state of Wisconsin.

It's OVER.---IOW Checkmate:

WRONG!

I guess you only read my "in the first place," above. There were four things I listed. That was only the first.

If that fails, there's the recall petition. Toss out several Republican legislators who voted for this, replace them with Democrats, and the bill is overturned.

If that fails (which I wouldn't expect), there's next year's election, with the Democrats handed a hum-dinger of a campaign issue. Which means the bill will be in force no longer than 2013.

And if all else fails, there's revolution.

This is NOT going to stand. Count on it. It's not over until we win. "Checkmate" means the end of the game. This fight will go on as long as we're alive. You will never win. All you can do is delay losing. And the longer and more effectively you do that, the nastier things will become.

[Laqswrnm]

And if all else fails, there's revolution.

It's not over until we win.

Bring it on. It is about time we rid this country of communists once and for all.

[MrGunjMan_]

Bring it on. It is about time we rid this country of communists once and for all.

Right!! You and McCarthy together again, ridding the US of Communist. Cause you know that putting "In God we trust" on US money means that will not handle it, and putting "under god" in the Pledge of Allegiance means they will not say it. Those amoung your other fantasies.

[mobbemeatiedy]

It tells us who's more than likely to betray this country. A true American believes in God and is loyal to the Conservative President. Liberals know nothing about loyalty. Well, except for one thing, the only true loyalty they have is to the almighty dollar and having a big government that micromanages everything right down to how to tie your shoes properly. Conservatives aren't like that. We believe in the individual right to worship God as you see fit. That's what it says in the Constitution. Anybody who doesn't worship God is a traitor to America and must not be allowed to be American citizens.

America is a Christian nation, regardless of those liberals who try to push their lies any way onto the unsuspecting innocent American people. It even says so in the C0onstitution under the First Amendment. It's the right to religion. People are meant to be Christians ebcause the Constitution says you only have the right to worship the Christian God as you see fit. It doesn't say you have the right to freedom from religion.

The most powerful position a person can have is on their knees, worshipping God. The only true freedom is to be a Christian who worships God in the correct way, as God instructs us all in the Bible.

[beloveds]

It A true American believes in God

A true American is not a religious bigot and therefore would never say anything like that. The statement that "a true American believes in God" is un-American. The claim that America is a "Christian nation" is un-American. Any American who claims things like that is a traitor to his country. If we were not such a tolerant nation -- contrary to what the likes of YOU would prefer -- the likes of you would be sent into exile, because you certainly don't belong here.

[Laqswrnm]

The claim that America is a "Christian nation" is un-American.

To a multiculturalist.

America is a Christian nation

You got that right! Liberals try to pretend the facts of history and the present somehow are un-American. It is like claiming "To say Washington crossed the Delaware" is un-American when it is not only American (to be Christian) it is American to say. As is typically the case, the Left can only rely on lies to advance their transparent agenda.

[JacksHH]

Right!! You and McCarthy together again, ridding the US of Communist. Cause you know that putting "In God we trust" on US money means that will not handle it, and putting "under god" in the Pledge of Allegiance means they will not say it. Those amoung your other fantasies.

There's a lot more of us than there are of you. You might want to think about that for a little bit.

[MrGunjMan_]

There's a lot more of us than there are of you. You might want to think about that for a little bit.

A lot more of you communists? Since I am for what America stands for, that must mean that you are against what America stands for.

[erubresen]

Has everyone heard that upon the filing of a lawsuit that the law in Wisconsin recently passed may not have been passed legally. The judge issued an injunction preventing the law from taking effect upon the mere filing of the lawsuit. The law was not found to be passed illegally by the judge as the proceedings have not yet occurred.

Now, contrast that to Obamacare. A judge DID issue a final ruling that it IS unconstitutional (not merely in violation of technicality of legislative procedure) and gave 7 days for the administration to stop enforcing the vacated law. The Obama administration is ignoring the ruling and continuing to implement Obamacare.

Completely different situations.

In the Wisconsin matter, the Court which has issued the injunction has the authority to do to so for the entire State of Wisconsin.

The Court which ruled that portions of the ACA were unconstitutional only has the authority to do so within it's geographical jurisdiction. As such, there becomes a conflict where the ruling applies in some states but not in others. In a case such as this, the proper thing to do is stay the ruling pending final resolution of the Federal question.

The two situations are not comparable at all.

Matt

[Laqswrnm]

Completely different situations.

In the Wisconsin matter, the Court which has issued the injunction has the authority to do to so for the entire State of Wisconsin.

Really? A county judge can dictate do the legislature what their constitutional obligations are?

The Court which ruled that portions of the ACA were unconstitutional only has the authority to do so within it's geographical jurisdiction.

Oh, is Obama not pushing the law in that geographical jurisdiction?

The two situations are not comparable at all.

Matt

[kranfid]

To a multiculturalist.



You got that right! Liberals try to pretend the facts of history and the present somehow are un-American. It is like claiming "To say Washington crossed the Delaware" is un-American when it is not only American (to be Christian) it is American to say. As is typically the case, the Left can only rely on lies to advance their transparent agenda.

America is not a christian nation, its a secular nation