[staisacic]

So, umm I thought the republicans would be running from this issue??

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Add Idaho to the list of states moving to end the free lunch fun of public employee unions. On the same day Wisconsin ended many collective bargaining rights of government workers there, Idaho officials moved to limit the process and phase out tenure for unionized teachers.

The measure is part of Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Luna's plan to reform the K-12 education system in Idaho, according to Fox News.

"It would restrict collective bargaining agreements to salaries and benefits while also phasing out "tenure" for new educators and current teachers who have yet to attain it. New educators would instead be offered one- to two-year contracts following a three-year probationary period," Fox said.

One of the measure's supporters predicted it would attract a higher quality faculty.

"Through this plan, we are going to attract and retain more quality teachers in Idaho by offering a two-year contract, increased pay and the opportunity to earn bonuses," Republican state Rep. Bob Nonini told Fox 12 in Idaho.

For more from Fox, go here.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: Idaho ends tenure for union public school teachers | Mark Tapscott | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

[Greapyjeory]

While I agree with ending tenure, I hope that these legislatures also move to reform the policies that apply to police and firemen.

Walker left out those groups in Wisconsin, and not surprisingly, those two groups were heavy donaters to his campaign.

[Gedominew]

By what theory do they think it will attract higher quality teachers?

A lack of job security + low wages = higher quality candidates, how?

[staisacic]

By what theory do they think it will attract higher quality teachers?

A lack of job security + low wages = higher quality candidates, how?

A 2 YEAR CONTRACT WITH MORE PAY FOR DOING A GOOD JOB, AND CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GET A BONUS..

may work...

[Greapyjeory]

It could go either way. Some teachers will likely prefer a performance-based system, while others won't.

This will certainly attract younger teachers, but it won't necessarily bring in many experienced ones.

[Gedominew]

A 2 YEAR CONTRACT WITH MORE PAY FOR DOING A GOOD JOB, AND CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GET A BONUS..

may work...

A "good job" as defined by, what? A test score that they may or may not be able to directly impact?

A 2 year contract as opposed to a 1 year contract? That's not real job security.


If you were looking at starting a career, and you had a degree in mathematics, would you pick the $30,000 teaching position with the (WOO!) 2 year contract and a chance at a (WOO!) small bonus and maybe a chance at a raise if your students decide to do well on a test, or would you pick the $50,000 analyst job with bonus and raise?

Gee, that's a tough one.

[CVEGK7mV]

A 2 YEAR CONTRACT WITH MORE PAY FOR DOING A GOOD JOB, AND CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GET A BONUS..

may work...

I'm sorry, but that's just the stupidest way of paying teachers.

If I'm a teacher who gets paid based on how students perform, my class is going to finish with A's in every subject, every single year.

[CVEGK7mV]

A "good job" as defined by, what? A test score that they may or may not be able to directly impact?

A 2 year contract as opposed to a 1 year contract? That's not real job security.


If you were looking at starting a career, and you had a degree in mathematics, would you pick the $30,000 teaching position with the (WOO!) 2 year contract and a chance at a (WOO!) small bonus and maybe a chance at a raise if your students decide to do well on a test, or would you pick the $50,000 analyst job with bonus and raise?

Gee, that's a tough one.

Defined by "what" we can't be so sure about, but defined by "whom" will be left to the discretion of the executive office of the Governor of the state, since conservatives now believe in dictatorships.

[no02rSx2]

A 2 year contract as opposed to a 1 year contract? That's not real job security.

It's far more then most people have or can ever expect. I'd love a secure 2 year contract.

[no02rSx2]

Defined by "what" we can't be so sure about, but defined by "whom" will be left to the discretion of the executive office of the Governor of the state, since conservatives now believe in dictatorships.

No they don't.

[Greapyjeory]

It's far more then most people have or can ever expect. I'd love a secure 2 year contract.

Same here, to be honest....

[CVEGK7mV]

No they don't.

That's what they're defending at the moment, with glee.

[Gedominew]

It's far more then most people have or can ever expect. I'd love a secure 2 year contract.

Same here, to be honest....

You would?

How much salary are you willing to sacrifice for that contract?

Oh, and that contract goes both ways. You don't get to leave when you realize that you don't like the job. Or they transfer you to a different, but parallel position. New opportunity elsewhere? Whoops, you're locked in. So sorry.

[phenterminediett]

If you want good teachers, send your kids to private school.

[Gedominew]

If you want good teachers, send your kids to private school.

Below the belt, subaru.

[no02rSx2]

Oh, and that contract goes both ways. You don't get to leave when you realize that you don't like the job. Or they transfer you to a different, but parallel position. New opportunity elsewhere? Whoops, you're locked in. So sorry.

I've been locked into contracts with clients before, I knew what I was dealing with when I signed them. Don't like a contract, don't sign it.

[no02rSx2]

That's what they're defending at the moment, with glee.

Actions within U.S. law aren't dictatorship are they?

[Gedominew]

I've been locked into contracts with clients before, I knew what I was dealing with when I signed them. Don't like a contract, don't sign it.

Way to take a snippet out of a post completely out of context. Your response has nothing to do with my post.

Shall we call you John Locke now?

[no02rSx2]

Way to take a snippet out of a post completely out of context. Your response has nothing to do with my post.

It certainly does. Don't want to teach in Idaho (or elsewhere) because you don't like the contract...don't sign a contract to do so.

Every time I take on a contract I'm ruling out the opportunity to act on other contracts until the first one is fulfilled, there is nothing new in that to me. If I don't like a contract I don't sign it and yes I'd love a two year contract.


Shall we call you John Locke now? Oh now you're just being nasty.

[Gedominew]

It certainly does. Don't want to teach in Idaho (or elsewhere) because you don't like the contract...don't sign a contract to do so.

Every time I take on a contract I'm ruling out the opportunity to act on other contracts until the first one is fulfilled, there is nothing new in that to me. If I don't like a contract I don't sign it and yes I'd love a two year contract.

But, the whole point of the system as designed is that the teachers are accepting an offset in pay for job security via the contracts and tenure system. By getting rid of tenure, the teachers should be getting something in return, or there's even less incentive to accept the liability of the contract. I think that what they'll find is that fewer good candidates will be interested in teaching - it's a lot of liability to risk not being able to pay your student loans. If you can get a much better-paying job with the same degree, there's a big incentive to do so, and now less incentive to be a teacher.

As far as wishing that you could get an employment contract, all I was saying is that don't be so sure. A lot of people (not necessarily you) say "I wish..." and then really deserve to get their wish, good 'n hard.

Oh now you're just being nasty. Sorry. No insult intended.