[mincbiori]

Well that is, if one lives in Ciudad Juarez just along our US/Mexican border. I wonder how many members of this board would LOVE to move to one of our towns along that same border; let their little ones out to play in their yards? During "hunting season" in our states, most people who live near areas that hunting is allowed often keep their little ones inside during hours of legal hunting. We had our first home built in a rural area, and during November it was "keep the kids in the house"......dog too. I can't even imagine having to worry about guns and the violence rampant along our southwestern border. Yet, it seems that the president does not care, anymore than Bush did. Our border should have been secured long long ago.

Tell me fellow members, would YOU want to live there now? If so, why? If not, explain.

Do ANY of you think it's safe for American families, especially with children?

Do you think the administration is doing their job on this matter?

More Civilians Killed Last Year in One Mexican Border Town than all Afghanistan - Afghanistan - Fox Nation

[mincbiori]

On an update of this threadm it seems that our border where Ciudad Juarez is, is just below the most dangerous city in the world; Mogadishu!!!!

Interesting reading here:

Top 5 Most Dangerous Cities for live of the World | Wonders-World.com

[Izzy]

Do you think the administration is doing their job on this matter?

We haven't had an administration with the balls to do anything about this since, well, as long as I can remember.

Back in 1981, we used to watch helicopters chasing illegal scumbag aliens through the swamps down in Imperial Beach from my buddy's balcony. We'd get a couple cases of beer, some steaks, and watch the evening festivites of the Border Patrol rounding them up.

That doesn't happen anymore...

[yurawerj]

It's definitely a problem that no president in recent history has addressed.

There's a thread in another subforum here that discusses whether or not America is culturally a Third World nation, and, at least when it comes to violent crime, we somewhat are.

Mexico is rapidly deteriorating, and it's been exporting its problems here for years now. Over time, the line between us and Mexico will become indistinguishable both culturally and with regard to crime.

In terms of quality of life, the line is being pushed northward. To truly escape the dangers of Mexico, you have to live outside of border states or at least in the more northern, rural areas of them.

It's no surprise that Phoenix now has the world's 2nd highest kidnapping rate (the highest being Mexico City).

[Retapleapse]

It's definitely a problem that no president in recent history has addressed.There's a thread in another subforum here that discusses whether or not America is culturally a Third World nation, and, at least when it comes to violent crime, we somewhat are.

Mexico is rapidly deteriorating, and it's been exporting its problems here for years now. Over time, the line between us and Mexico will become indistinguishable both culturally and with regard to crime.

In terms of quality of life, the line is being pushed northward. To truly escape the dangers of Mexico, you have to live outside of border states or at least in the more northern, rural areas of them.

It's no surprise that Phoenix now has the world's 2nd highest kidnapping rate (the highest being Mexico City).

Last I recall it was Bush that started the fence building and Obama stopped it. Fences work although Liberals say they don't but the fact is our southern border is a mess.

And to answer the questions, hell no I would not liver there, nor is it safe for anyone.

[Sheestgag]

the border with Mexico has had flare ups through out or history, we have sent armies and agents, what next? Thought police so we will know when and where violence will happen?

[yurawerj]

Last I recall it was Bush that started the fence building and Obama stopped it. Fences work although Liberals say they don't but the fact is our southern border is a mess.

And to answer the questions, hell no I would not liver there, nor is it safe for anyone.

The fence was stopped largely due to cost. A virtual fence would work far better than a physical fence if used in combination with border patrols, but even the project associated with that was scrapped, again, because of budget issues.

Any way you look at it, securing a border as large as ours is incredibly expensive. About the only way to feasibly afford something like this would require us to leave Afghanistan and Iraq.

[yxn2dC07]

the border with Mexico has had flare ups through out or history, we have sent armies and agents, what next? Thought police so we will know when and where violence will happen?

True, but it's time to once again send the National Guard, and how many ever agents it takes to solve the problem. America seems afflicted with the reverse of the "can do" attitude. That would have never gotten us to the moon and back.

This is not a complex problem, that cannot be solved. But you gotta have the will to do so. We just have not had the will is all.

[Hedkffiz]

You do know that Juarez is in Mexico, right?

[googlopharm]

You do know that Juarez is in Mexico, right?

You do know where Juarez actually is in Mexico, right? (as in proximity to the US?) The OP is arguing about border security and in this case the OP is right (which includes using this list.)

[Hedkffiz]

You do know where Juarez actually is in Mexico, right? (as in proximity to the US?) The OP is arguing about border security and in this case the OP is right (which includes using this list.)

Yes, there have been horrific acts, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER.

The US cannot control what happens on the Mexican side of the border, can it?

[googlopharm]

Yes, there have been horrific acts, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER.

The US cannot control what happens on the Mexican side of the border, can it?

Obviously not, nor is the OP or myself suggesting we can handle what happens outside of the country. At least I did not suggest that, at all, and challenge you to dream up where I did. But we can use the list, with the city in question, to illustrate we have a danger problem on the border (more so than the dangers in Afghanistan in this case and in argument use) thus we need to do something more so than we do now to protect ourselves. If the 2nd most dangerous place in the world is a stone's throw away from the US it makes a pretty strong argument that we need to protect the border at all costs to prevent that type of danger from coming into the US. Which clearly is now anyway.

The OP is right in the assessment of using Juarez to suggest more border security is needed, and not because of your suggestion on us being able to do a damn thing about what happens inside of Juarez. Man, use your head here. This is reasonable assessment of the situation on the border and evidence we need to do more to protect ourselves.

[Retapleapse]

The fence was stopped largely due to cost. A virtual fence would work far better than a physical fence if used in combination with border patrols, but even the project associated with that was scrapped, again, because of budget issues.

Any way you look at it, securing a border as large as ours is incredibly expensive. About the only way to feasibly afford something like this would require us to leave Afghanistan and Iraq.

BS, hell California spends in one yr to provide health care and educate illegals than it would cost to finish the fence. That's a fact. And that is just the beginning of what it cost us to have illegals in this country. Just think what it is costing Americans that would love to take back the jobs illegals are doing. Just stopping new arrivals of illegals will save more money than what it would cost 100 time over what it would cost to finish the fence.

[CoallyPax]

You do know where Juarez actually is in Mexico, right? (as in proximity to the US?) The OP is arguing about border security and in this case the OP is right (which includes using this list.)

You realize that New Orleans is IN the U.S. and has nearly as bad a murder rate as Juarez.

Right?

Predicating an argument for border security on criminal activity in Mexico rings kind of silly in light of this.

If protecting Americans from violent crime is the objective then why not focus efforts on places in the United States, where U.S. citizens are actually being murdered in world-leading numbers, than throw out this stupid red herring about Juarez?

The article is just a scare tactic.

Americans aren't getting killed iin record numbers in Juarez. Murder is not spilling across the border in any signifigant way.

Mexicans are getting killed. And who gives a fuck what happens to Mexicans?

Lets fix America first before we piss away a bunch of money keeping ourselves safe from the boogey man.

[yurawerj]

BS, hell California spends in one yr to provide health care and educate illegals than it would cost to finish the fence. That's a fact. And that is just the beginning of what it cost us to have illegals in this country. Just think what it is costing Americans that would love to take back the jobs illegals are doing. Just stopping new arrivals of illegals will save more money than what it would cost 100 time over what it would cost to finish the fence.

Cite that fact then. Everything I've seen shows that the fences cost far more than any costs that illegals incur.

[Hedkffiz]

Obviously not, nor is the OP or myself suggesting we can handle what happens outside of the country. At least I did not suggest that, at all, and challenge you to dream up where I did. But we can use the list, with the city in question, to illustrate we have a danger problem on the border (more so than the dangers in Afghanistan in this case and in argument use) thus we need to do something more so than we do now to protect ourselves. If the 2nd most dangerous place in the world is a stone's throw away from the US it makes a pretty strong argument that we need to protect the border at all costs to prevent that type of danger from coming into the US. Which clearly is now anyway.

The OP is right in the assessment of using Juarez to suggest more border security is needed, and not because of your suggestion on us being able to do a damn thing about what happens inside of Juarez. Man, use your head here. This is reasonable assessment of the situation on the border and evidence we need to do more to protect ourselves.

By this logic the Canadians should have mobilized in Windsor by now.

It's a nice bit of fear mongering (I know, I know, that's seemingly all the conservative movement has these days), but the drug wars in Mexico are a Mexican problem. Yes, we contribute to the problem, hugely, but that's another thread.

[yurawerj]

By this logic the Canadians should have mobilized in Windsor by now.

It's a nice bit of fear mongering (I know, I know, that's seemingly all the conservative movement has these days), but the drug wars in Mexico are a Mexican problem. Yes, we contribute to the problem, hugely, but that's another thread.

Well, I disagree with this part. MS-13 is growing in influence here, as are several other Latin American gangs.

[Hedkffiz]

Well, I disagree with this part. MS-13 is growing in influence here, as are several other Latin American gangs.

MS13 is an LA-gang originally.

[yurawerj]

MS13 is an LA-gang originally.

Indeed it is, but it now is a major gang throughout Latin America and in Mexico in particular.

[Hedkffiz]

Indeed it is, but it now is a major gang throughout Latin America and in Mexico in particular.

Well, that's where the American money goes to traffic its insane drug problem.

All I'm saying is that "OMG teh Mexicans r teh scary" is probably not the best strategy when looking at our relationship with our Southern neighbor.