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Govt asked to explain failure to stop fatwa

A 14 year old girl was raped by her 40 year old relative. Some kind of fatwa was declared by her village, and they decided that she should get 100 lashes. She fell unconscious after 80, and the 14 year old girl died.

Say what you want, these fuckers don't operate by the same rules as us. If we engage with them, we need to kill them until it's over. We are not prepared to do this, so we need to leave them alone and come back home.

Bangladesh is one of the poorest and most desperate nations on Earth. Honestly, I'm not surprised this happened.

Yes, the act was thoroughly awful and sick, but you have to remember that Bangladesh is the sort of place where the average person's daily struggle is just acquiring the next meal.

Unfortunately, humans tend to show their worst traits when they are most desperate and when religion replaces a lack of knowledge.

Keep in mind, however, that this is not representative of the average Muslim. This would be considered illegal and utterly disgusting to an Albanian or Turk, for example. I'm sure many Bangladeshis find it disgusting as well.

Now, this kind of thinking will just be ignored. Instead, there will be histrionics and wailing and gnashing of teeth, and pages and pages about all the horrible things that Muslims do/are.

The sad thing is - there are people who do bad things. It doesn't matter what name they call their god/s/ess. For every event you find in one world, there's another event somewhere else, but perhaps not as well televised. One can look at the systematic subjugation of women in the LDS cults in the US as an example of a "civilized Christian nation" that abuses its people, or you can look at these events as aberrations, and recognize that the great majority of the people do good overall.

We have no right to kill anybody. And as far as I know we don't have any troops in Bangladesh.
This case is terrible and disgusting. But according to the article you posted the "fatwa" is already illegal and punishable in Bangladesh. So they have to investigate this case on their own and finally apply the law. This has nothing to do with us.

But what you are obviously trying to do is to use this incident and portray Muslims in afghanistan and Iraq as barbaric criminals. You refer to them as "these fuckers". This is of course not true. It's like taking the Loughner case and inferring that every American is a psychopathic killer.

So what is your point? That we have to kill everybody in Afghanistan/Iraq or go home because there are heinous crimes in bangaldesh?

Muslims in modern America don't do that kind of thing. Christians living in medieval Europe did -- not that specifically perhaps, but witch-burnings, etc. (Christians living in modern America don't, any more than American Muslims.)

It's a characteristic of backwards societies, not of any particular religion.

Well, unfortunately, there actually are still honor killings and various barbaric practices by Muslims in America and the rest of the First World. However, again, these things are anomalies and not the norm.

As pram mentioned, there are Mormons and Christians that do barbaric things as well and of course, they aren't the norm either.

But yeah, this is more a problem with the evolutionary stage of a culture than it is with a specific religion.

Let me rephrase that, then.

I have known many Muslims personally. I have worked with Muslims, and worked for Muslims. I have never personally known a Muslim who would ever consider beating a girl because she had been raped, or even blaming a girl because she had been raped. All of the Muslims I have known personally have been relatively progressive on social issues.

Recent immigrants from benighted parts of the world may be different. That doesn't describe any of the Muslims I've known. But I'm reasonably certain that barbaric behavior by recent immigrants from benighted parts of the world is not confined to Muslims. Nor, obviously, is it universal among Muslims. To the extent it exists, it is a characteristic not of Muslims, but of recent immigrants from benighted parts of the world, regardless of their religious beliefs.

What barbaric things have the Mormons and Christians done? In this century please.

I have said to every newbie on here who heads in the direction of the crusadesd: Don't throw the crusades up to justify islamic terrorism. To do so you are saying that if your grandmother killed my grandmother then it is OK for me to kill you.

And you can forget Timothy McVeigh. He was an agnostic.

I can point to a non-Muslim forum member who'd blame a girl for being raped, though...

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I have said to every newbie on here who heads in the direction of the crusadesd: Don't throw the crusades up to justify islamic terrorism. Who in the world is trying to "justify Islamic terrorism"?

On the other hand, I do see people trying to use Islamic terrorism to justify anti-Muslim bigotry, or even genocide.

FLDS "marriages" between adult (often 30, 40, or 50 year old men) and young girls. In the USA.

Surely you're not forgetting that, are you?

Torturing innocent Muslims at Abu Graib and Guantanamo!

Please do stand corrected on that:

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Who was our last Christian beheading in America?

I already acknowledged that recent immigrants from benighted parts of the world may engage in barbaric behavior. I will further acknowledge that some of those recent immigrants may be Muslim.

All I'm saying here is that using these incidents as a justification for genocide against Muslims in general is poisonous, vile, despicable nonsense unworthy of anyone who dares call himself or herself civilized.

And that's exactly where I always see this kind of crap going.

We have seen plenty of muslim on muslim genocide. A muslim on muslim killing was the topic of this thread. Yet, you want to blame non muslims for it.

How far uphill do you think you can push that train before you fall down and get run over by it.

No, unfortunate behavior in an extremely impoverished part of the world was the topic of the thread.

Religious fundamentalism may have played a role.

Extreme poverty, lack of education, and religious fundamentalism are a formula for tragedy, and have been for the history of humanity. To try to lay this at the feet of one particular religion is ignorance at its worst.

I am truly sorry you are having so much difficulty with the topic:

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This was a muslim on muslim crime. It has nothing to do with Christians or Mormons. Neither were even mentioned in the article. I'm sorry you have so much trouble understanding.

Your responses are nothing more than the archetypical 'bu bu bu.... Timothy McVeigh." "bu bu bu ... Mormons" " bu bu bu....Christians." None of those apply in this thread. Keep pissing in the wind.

So now you are using that to justify genocide against Muslims by others?

A muslim on muslim killing was the topic of this thread. Yet, you want to blame non muslims for it. No. I want to blame non-Muslims for using it to justify genocide against Muslims.

How far uphill do you think you can push that train before you fall down and get run over by it. As I am not a Muslim, I am probably not in much danger from those who wish to advocate genocide against Muslims. Unless, of course, they take it to the point of advocating a death sentence against those who merely advocate civilized behavior, regardless of their religion.

So far, I haven't seen either you or Mr. Davenport go that far.

Who is committing genocide against muslims? Name names here.

http://www.uspoliticsonline.net/images/smilies/lol.gif You indict yourself when you change my language that way. Not once did I say anything about committing genocide against Muslims. The word I used was advocating.

Are you advocating genocide against Muslims?