[kertionderf]

I am not him, but I'll bite as I have a 7 year old daughter and 5 year old son.
Would it be "OK"? No. Not to me.
Do they have the "right"? Yes.
Would I want to do them harm? Yes.
Would I do them harm? No.

Logistics permitting (and assuming I wouldn't wimp out on this plan, which is very likely...) I'd try for being acquitted of vehicular manslaughter... "It was obviously not a good day, I was already an emotional wreck - I was burying my baby girl, after all - and it was made all the worse by the people screaming at me so I could barely hear anyone at the funeral. I got in my car to go home and I just broke down and cried. I had my head on my hands, my hands on the stearing wheel, and, I found out later, my foot on the gas..." Not too many juries will convict on that, provided you maintain a proper facade of regret until the verdict comes back. Best part is, they can't get you civilly for wrongful death, since the protesters themselves were significant contributing factors to the 'unfortunate events' described.

[ElenaEvgeevna]

I don't see anything wrong with a law that says politicians need to grow up and stop talking like they're wild west sheriffs or gang bangers.

We wouldn't be telling them that they can't speak, just infringing on their right to do so a little bit.

You know, for the greater good.

It's pretty much the exact same thing.

On the one hand you'd be telling the WBC that they can't speak absolutely freely because their doing so would be offensive to some people.

On the other hand you'd be telling Congress that they can't speak absolutely freely because their doing so would be offensive to some people.



I'm gonna go scratch my head for a while and try to figure out why there's a double standard, because on the face of things, allowing for differences in particulars, the fundamentals involved are exactly the same.

These things happen when the norms of common sense and decency have eroded to a point, where even a group of supposed Christians, don't have enough sense of right and wrong to reign in their own urges.

Then we think we can rely on "laws" to somehow make people again get themselves under control. This is fantasy.

There are much bigger issues and problems going on and making more "laws" may only make them worse.

[GECEDEANY]

Last night the Arizona legislature passed, and Governor Brewer immediately signed into law, a measure prohibiting protests at or near funeral sites.

This was in response to Westboro Baptist Church rumblings that they'd protest the funerals of the victims, particularly the funeral of nine-year-old Christina Taylor Green to be held tomorrow.

Law passed to ban picketing at Tucson funerals - U.S. news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

While the legislature of Arizona is overwelmingly Republican, as is the governor, this measure passed unanimously and should be taken as a bipartisan issue.

My gripe with that is that there's no way in the world this should have been bipartisan.

After all the bitching and moaning conservatives and Republicans have done over the last couple days whenever it's been so much as suggested that maybe politicians should be a little more responsible in their public speech they then turn around and actually PASS A LAW that restricts the free speech of others.

Let me repeat that:

It is retarded liberal hippy nonsense to expect that major national conservative and Republican leaders conduct themselves as adults in their speech but it perfectly acceptable for conservative Republican leaders to limit other's right to free speech by force of law.

Pretty fucking lame.

[LypeReexy]

It is an interesting hypocrisy, isn't it? I hope that the courts quickly and justifiably put an injunction on this law; it's clearly unconstitutional. Allow the Patriot Riders to do what they do so well, and peaceably so.

[pharmaclid]

Not sure how this law is much different than clinic access laws that state abortion clinic protesters must stay a certain distance from the clinic.

They're not being told they can not protest, simply that they must be 300 feet away starting 1 hour before and continuing to 1 hour after the service.

[GECEDEANY]

They're not being told they can not protest, simply that they must be 300 feet away starting 1 hour before and continuing to 1 hour after the service.

I don't see anything wrong with a law that says politicians need to grow up and stop talking like they're wild west sheriffs or gang bangers.

We wouldn't be telling them that they can't speak, just infringing on their right to do so a little bit.

You know, for the greater good.

It's pretty much the exact same thing.

On the one hand you'd be telling the WBC that they can't speak absolutely freely because their doing so would be offensive to some people.

On the other hand you'd be telling Congress that they can't speak absolutely freely because their doing so would be offensive to some people.



I'm gonna go scratch my head for a while and try to figure out why there's a double standard, because on the face of things, allowing for differences in particulars, the fundamentals involved are exactly the same.

[O25YtQnn]

Fill me in here , pram or someone and end my ignorance , what do the patriot riders do with situations like the westboro sickos?

[pharmaclid]

I don't see anything wrong with a law that says politicians need to grow up and stop talking like they're wild west sheriffs or gang bangers.

We wouldn't be telling them that they can't speak, just infringing on their right to do so a little bit.

You know, for the greater good.

It's pretty much the exact same thing.

On the one hand you'd be telling the WBC that they can't speak absolutely freely because their doing so would be offensive to some people.

On the other hand you'd be telling Congress that they can't speak absolutely freely because their doing so would be offensive to some people.



I'm gonna go scratch my head for a while and try to figure out why there's a double standard, because on the face of things, allowing for differences in particulars, the fundamentals involved are exactly the same.

1st, there is no "absolute" freedom of speech. You can not lie about someone in court and you can not yell fire in a crowded theater, without punishment.

Again, WBC's right to say what they want to say is NOT being taken away. They are simply told to do it at a distance from the service.

[LypeReexy]

Fill me in here , pram or someone and end my ignorance , what do the patriot riders do with situations like the westboro sickos?

I haven't participated (yet), but it's my understanding that they stand between the westboro protesters, backs turned, carrying US flags. They form a silent barrier that ignores the protesters and denies them what they crave most - attention.

From what I understand, it's quite effective.

[electmobile]

I haven't participated (yet), but it's my understanding that they stand between the westboro protesters, backs turned, carrying US flags. They form a silent barrier that ignores the protesters and denies them what they crave most - attention.

From what I understand, it's quite effective.

This explains the law or should I say a one time law for a specific event. This was a total bipartisan legislation to prevent people getting up close to the funeral procession. They have to remain 300' away and they can say what they want but 300' away.

Westboro Baptists Prompt Arizona Legislature And Governor To Create “Funeral Protection Zone” With Emergency Law at Pat Dollard

[Jeaxatoem]

Last night the Arizona legislature passed, and Governor Brewer immediately signed into law, a measure prohibiting protests at or near funeral sites.

This was in response to Westboro Baptist Church rumblings that they'd protest the funerals of the victims, particularly the funeral of nine-year-old Christina Taylor Green to be held tomorrow.

Law passed to ban picketing at Tucson funerals - U.S. news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

While the legislature of Arizona is overwelmingly Republican, as is the governor, this measure passed unanimously and should be taken as a bipartisan issue.

My gripe with that is that there's no way in the world this should have been bipartisan.

After all the bitching and moaning conservatives and Republicans have done over the last couple days whenever it's been so much as suggested that maybe politicians should be a little more responsible in their public speech they then turn around and actually PASS A LAW that restricts the free speech of others.

Let me repeat that:

It is retarded liberal hippy nonsense to expect that major national conservative and Republican leaders conduct themselves as adults in their speech but it perfectly acceptable for conservative Republican leaders to limit other's right to free speech by force of law.

Pretty fucking lame.

soot
so you will warmly welcome a bunch of people at your sons funeral that are yelling and telling you that is is a good thing your son has been killed and how they hope that your other children are also killed.
sorry buit grave sites are notthe place for protests. it is a place for people to remeber their loved ones with dignaty. if you dont understand that then you are a very sad person

[ggiifdfalls]

This explains the law or should I say a one time law for a specific event. This was a total bipartisan legislation to prevent people getting up close to the funeral procession. They have to remain 300' away and they can say what they want but 300' away.

Westboro Baptists Prompt Arizona Legislature And Governor To Create “Funeral Protection Zone” With Emergency Law at Pat Dollard

Why don't they do the same thing for all the Service Members that have died in the 2 wars?

[LypeReexy]

soot
so you will warmly welcome a bunch of people at your sons funeral that are yelling and telling you that is is a good thing your son has been killed and how they hope that your other children are also killed.
sorry buit grave sites are notthe place for protests. it is a place for people to remeber their loved ones with dignaty. if you dont understand that then you are a very sad person

Hi, and welcome to the USA. Here the government doesn't get to tell you what you can and can't say. That's the beauty of the country.

[Edisesyethisp]

Well first of all I think it is a great law. There is a time and place for everything, and a funeral is no place for a protest. Let the suffering have some time to grieve. But lets talk about how Congresswoman Giffords should never have been at that Safeway if this country still worked the way it was supposed to. A Senator is supposed to represent the people who elected her or him. When the Arizona people told her not to vote for Obama Care and she did anyway, the Arizona people should never have reelected her. When a Senator does not vote the way you tell them to, they should be fired. That is what this country is all about, representation. The sad fact though is that most voters are uninformed and vote for whatever name they know. I think there should be a basic test that should be administered to people about to vote. If they fail to know basic politics and the politics of who they are voting for then they don't vote. This we have intelligent representation.

[rassedgesse]

Sometimes I feel like yelling 'fire' in a crowded discussion board.

[LypeReexy]

Well first of all I think it is a great law. There is a time and place for everything, and a funeral is no place for a protest. Let the suffering have some time to grieve. But lets talk about how Congresswoman Giffords should never have been at that Safeway if this country still worked the way it was supposed to. A Senator is supposed to represent the people who elected her or him. When the Arizona people told her not to vote for Obama Care and she did anyway, the Arizona people should never have reelected her. When a Senator does not vote the way you tell them to, they should be fired. That is what this country is all about, representation. The sad fact though is that most voters are uninformed and vote for whatever name they know. I think there should be a basic test that should be administered to people about to vote. If they fail to know basic politics and the politics of who they are voting for then they don't vote. This we have intelligent representation.

Really?

You think this is a "great law?" You dare to accuse others of being uninformed in the same breath?

Fascinating.

[Jeaxatoem]

Hi, and welcome to the USA. Here the government doesn't get to tell you what you can and can't say. That's the beauty of the country.

pram
so you think it would be perfectly ok if your daughter was killed and then have a bunch of people show up screaming she deserved to be killed, she is a whore and all whores derseve to die and we hope that the rest of your whoring family is killed.
if you think that is perfectly ok you are pathetic
that is not frreedom of speech that is nothing but hatred and has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
and if you had a clue no one is stopping them they just cant do it at the grave sight. the family of the person killed also has rights. or do you belive that people do not have the right to morn thier loss with respect.

[LypeReexy]

pram
so you think it would be perfectly ok if your daughter was killed and then have a bunch of people show up screaming she deserved to be killed, she is a whore and all whores derseve to die and we hope that the rest of your whoring family is killed.
if you think that is perfectly ok you are pathetic
that is not frreedom of speech that is nothing but hatred and has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
and if you had a clue no one is stopping them they just cant do it at the grave sight. the family of the person killed also has rights. or do you belive that people do not have the right to morn thier loss with respect.

Hi, and welcome again to the USA. Perhaps you should read our founding document, and focus on a piece called the First Amendment. If you need reading comprehension assistance, I'm sure any of our fine membership, from either side of the political aisle, would be more than happy to explain concepts like "the freedom of speech shall not be abridged," if you don't want me to do so.

Or, if you don't like what the freedoms we enjoy mean (which are that some people will abuse them and say things that we don't want to hear), perhaps the USA isn't the place for you?

[electmobile]

Why don't they do the same thing for all the Service Members that have died in the 2 wars?

Why do you think I wold know that. I don't have any idea. All I know is this case and why they did what they did. I never said I approved or disapproved. I did say what they passed was a total bipartisan and they feel the family members need some privacy and are holding people away from being close up to the event.

Draw whatever conclusion you want.

[electmobile]

Hi, and welcome again to the USA. Perhaps you should read our founding document, and focus on a piece called the First Amendment. If you need reading comprehension assistance, I'm sure any of our fine membership, from either side of the political aisle, would be more than happy to explain concepts like "the freedom of speech shall not be abridged," if you don't want me to do so.

Or, if you don't like what the freedoms we enjoy mean (which are that some people will abuse them and say things that we don't want to hear), perhaps the USA isn't the place for you?

Pram is it true that people have been removed from people interrupting Congress or a presidents speech, people are removed all the time from causing a vocal disturbance. Which you call free speech. This is a funeral procession in which they are holding people 300' from the event. This is done all the time for various reasons. The protesters can say all they want but they will say it 300' from the families.

So in reality they are not dumping on free speech at all, they are only keeping people away from an event by 300'. That's all it is.