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"Obama’s Justice Department is there for Obama and team and not for true American Justice"

I'll have to get back to you on this one. It looks like it will take more research than I have time for right now.

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"Obama’s position on religion is all-paths pluralism and universalism rather than the Christianity faith he claims"

As it should be.

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I was wondering when you would catch on. When I started responding to your responses I realized all we were getting were three different opinions and not too many facts. I decided it was an exercise in futility and I don't think any of us would think less of you if you decided the same. I don't think anyone's thought process is going to change by our responses and come this November we will know for sure.

I disagree, Homey, at least in part. Sure, some of what the list maker wrote is opinion. It was meant to incite, not inform. But a lot of it is just plain lies. Energy prices are NOT doubling. Obama hasn't started any wars. We are not crippled by inflation. Gas is not $5 a gallon. There are no death panels -- even though some of us think maybe there should be ...

In October and November of last year my dad's oncologist ordered two infusions of a medication to strengthen his bones. They cost $10,000 each. Eight days after the second one, my dad was dead. Everyone knew my dad was dying. The only thing that medication strengthened was the doctor's and the pharmaceutical company's pockets.

But that's off the topic.

I recently heard a comedian complain that the right is trying to run against a president who doesn't exist. They make stuff up about Obama and his policies and then rely on ignoramuses to repeat it. When good people like you -who are predisposed to trusting conservatives - hear these lies over and over, you might disregard the most ridiculous of them, but the sheer volume of noise means that some of it will stick.

I am all for you deciding who to vote for, whether it's the same guy I support, or someone else. I just want you to base your vote on reality.

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Where did I leave off? Oh yeah ...

Obama’s position on Israel, the Arabs and Iran will lead to world war

Possibly true. I've spent a lot of time figuring out how much I really didn't know about this subject. I was, in fact, stunned by my ignorance on the history of Israel, the Palestinians and the area they both hope to call home. It's a subject I'd like to delve into further one day. Iran. Syria. There's so much more to everything that is going on than I had ever imagined.

Here's the crux of it though -- choosing and following a policy in that whole area of the world is like playing pick up sticks with dynamite. So far, I think Obama has done a pretty stellar job of it but he is walking an extraordinarily thin wire -- as would any leader of the Western World. I am not even sure there ARE answers. And anyone who says they know exactly what to do is a dangerous megalomaniac.

World war could break out in the Arab world with just a spit in the wrong direction.

Right now, my heart goes out to the people of Syria who are being slaughtered by their own government, desperate to hold onto power by any means but it's not so easy to just jump in and save the day. Syria has a powerful army and powerful allies who may choose to defend them to protect their own self interests. Right now, the evil genius wannabe in me wishes to applaud Israel's plans to pull a pre-emptive strike on Iran's budding nuclear capabilities but the diplomat wannabe in me says we need to try conventional methods first. Did you know Europe will stop buying oil from Iran in July of this year? What else do they have to export? How long will their people stand for being hungry? But that leads to the next question -- how far will Iran's regime go to hold onto THEIR power; how many more innocent people might be slaughtered? Right now, I am excited by the movement toward democracy that is happening in the Arab world, but I am a little skeered by the folks these people are choosing to represent them. Should we still be pro-democracy if the results might make the world a more dangerous place?

I don't know.

The one thing I DO KNOW is that, right now, I'm glad I am not Obama.

[Averti$ingGuru]

Edeevee, I respect your efforts as you continue to plow through this list.

The Iran and Syria issues are very much a powder keg of dynamite with a fragile hair trigger on it right now. I started a thread yesterday on the topic of Syria. My heart bleeds for its innocent citizens and the slaughter they are receiving from a government determined to hold on to power. The majority being slaughtered are not the Free Syrian Army (FSA), because they are armed and trained soldiers. (well trained on a small level and armed with mere Kalashnikovs ) The majority being slaughtered are women, children, and the elderly who just happen to be living in their residences, while their homes are being bombed by Assad's well equipped much larger army. The extent of terrorism they are living under daily is well beyond my comprehension.

The taste of war is sour on most of the tongues of our Americans after 10+ yrs of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. That fact is not escaping Iran and Syria's leaders, actually they are betting on it. Could war even resolve these issues as it did in WWII? I'm not convinced that it could? Afghanistan was in war with Russia for years and now with us for 10+ yrs and they seem to have accepted it as part of their lives.

None of the UN was keen on Pakistan gaining nuclear weapons, yet, so far, the world has not ended. Actually, the USA at one time thought it would be doomsday for the world when China and Russia became nuclear powers, yet it hasn't occurred. It is a very fine line between over reacting to a perceived threat and being proactive in the defense of our nation. I agree with what you say, I am thankful these decisions do not rest on my shoulders (or my brain).

As we all look forward to placing our votes for the next President for the USA, we need to consider all of these facts. We also need to brush up on understanding there are far greater, pressing issues to be dealt with than whether a young woman's birth control pill costs are covered by her medical insurance, or what prenatal tests she and her doctor are allowed to preform on her unborn baby.

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Plain and simple- we should cease meddling in the affairs of foreign countries, and get our own house in order. Our foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East is WHY things are so messed up there. Wars are about money, resources and power...And that's it. The people who make all that money could care less what the law, or theocracy or political system ends up being in a given country. They just want their money. Nor do they care how much debt we run up or how many of our soldiers die in vain....They just want their money.

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Sure, some of what the list maker wrote is opinion. It was meant to incite, not inform. But a lot of it is just plain lies.

Perhaps someone will address the above statement.

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I recently heard a comedian complain that the right is trying to run against a president who doesn't exist. They make stuff up about Obama and his policies and then rely on ignoramuses to repeat it. When good people like you -who are predisposed to trusting conservatives - hear these lies over and over, you might disregard the most ridiculous of them, but the sheer volume of noise means that some of it will stick.

I am all for you deciding who to vote for, whether it's the same guy I support, or someone else. I just want you to base your vote on reality.

Edeevee, I admire your efforts taken here to expose the falsehoods in a list such as this. When I first read your undertaking, I realized you would do your homework on each charge and that it would certainly be time consuming on your part to follow through. Common sense (such as who started these wars) seems to be so self evident, yet as you say, the sheer volume of noise means that many will believe these lies without pausing to consider the truth behind the accusation.

Personally, I want to thank you for your efforts to maintain and uphold the truth behind these inflammatory falsehoods that are being spread. It is most important when voting for our next President, that our decisions are being made based upon valid facts rather than these fictional rumor mills. We truly are NOT living in a fantasy land...we all will be living under whatever choices we make. Let us make our choices based on truth.

Whether one votes in agreement with me or not, I sincerely hope they have taken the time & effort to determine the truth behind the reasons they are making their voting decisions. We all stand to benefit from our government when we hold them accountable to be honest with us. Enough of these inflammatory & false slogans! They serve none of our best interests.

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Thanks for having my back, guys

I'm not giving up yet but I've been stymied by this:

Obama has and will continue to put the UN and world organizations above US national sovereignty

In trying to decipher this statement, I concluded that the list maker is saying Obama lets the UN decide the fate of our country. I was pretty sure this wasn't true but it's kind of hard to figure out what all the United Nations does. They're not exactly user-friendly in the data collection department. They have a lot of councils and committees and not all of them seem to report their business on a regular basis or in a standard format. Still, I'm guessing it is the Security Council that probably has the most influence in world affairs -- and they DO report. Kinda. Sorta. But you have to look up every individual resolution to see what it was about, who brought the issue to the forum, who voted, and how they voted. It's freaking complicated.

Except for Israel. Apparently we have a law in our country that says somebody has to keep better track of any vote that impacts Israel and who votes with us and who votes against us. We don't fare so well with the UN on Israeli issues. Basically, it's us, Canada, sometimes Australia and a handful of countries like Papau and Micronesia who consistently vote pro-Israel. The rest of the world representatives spend a lot of time condemning Israel for alleged misdeeds, or asking them to clean up the mess they left behind when they bombed the snot out of something or other, or trying to force boundary solutions on Israel and Palestine. The US is usually the one saying, hey, it wasnt all their fault and asking the UN to keep their nose out of Israel's business. That kind of stuff happened 18 times in 2010 (the last year for which I could find records).

But none of that has anything to do with our sovereignty -- our ability to govern ourselves -- so, once again, I have to call BS.