[sterofthemasteool]

All the poll indicates is which one of three options you prefer. That is it. Because you prefer one option does not mean you reject the other options. That view is not supported by the question. Is there anything in the poll that says that 100% of Democrats don't support cutting Social Security as an option to reduce the deficit? If you actually try thinking, no there isn't.

I'm not claiming that 100% of Dems support cutting Social Security, I'm just pointing out that there is nothing in the answers to the question that indicate what level of support cutting Social Security has among Dems.

[downtowndude]

It's okay, Paul, you don't have to agree with us.

[HsSp82U8]

Agreed. You can insist on being wrong.

Again.

[BronUVT]

Are Pinky and DES smarter than a five year old? Lets ask a five year-old. Today I called my 5 year-old neice and asked her what she liked better Candy, Ice Cream or Cookies? She said Ice Cream, so I asked her if that meant she didn't like Candy and she said NOOOOOOO, I like Candy too. Then I asked her if she thought Cookies were yuckie, she said NOOOOOOOO! So it would seem that a five year-old understands a concept that is beyond the intellectual ability of two somewhat older uber-liberals. Hmmmmmm

So are Pinky and DES smarter than a five year-old? It would appear not.

BTW-- I am in trouble with my Sister for bringing up the subject of Treats with my Niece so close to dinner time?

[exchpaypalgold]

Let's ask another Question This time of college men. Lets ask them what they like better beer, pizza or sex? Let's say by some miraculous coincidence the poll shows that men are evenly divided with 33 percent showing a preference for each item. To Pinky this would demonstrate that college age men by a 2 to 1 margin don't like beer and DES would conclude that the ovewhelming majority of college age men hate sex. As for Pizza no one else on this board has shown an inclination, quite rightly, to claim that college age men don't like pizza.

Please.

[HitAttetlyTek]

You're still missing the real point, which is that you've presented ZERO evidence to indicate that most Democrats favor cutting Social Security. The comparisons to your niece and college males is irrelevant, and does nothing to support your claim.

[Faumpiggueria]

You're still missing the real point, which is that you've presented ZERO evidence to indicate that most Democrats favor cutting Social Security.

Proving once again that you have difficulty in reading comprehension, I never said most Dems favor cutting social security, I just said it is likely more dems favor cutting social security than (Conservatives). There is nothing in the poll that Richard cited that one can determine what percentage of Dems that support cutting Social Security nor can one determine the support from that poll what percentage of Conservatives favor the same. Perhaps I should have said " I wouldn't be surprised (rather than it is likely) that more Dems support cutting Social Security than (Conservatives), but regardless that is what I meant.

On the other hand what is relevant is that you and DES are utterly clueless when it comes to drawing conclusions from the answers to a poll question. I didn't draw conclusions without the benefit of elementary logic from a poll, that would be you and your ultra-lefty colleague.

[Neitteloxesia]

Perhaps I should have said " I wouldn't be surprised (rather than it is likely) that more Dems support cutting Social Security than (Conservatives), but regardless that is what I meant. Perhaps if you had said what you meant the first time, you wouldn't be furiously backpedaling now.

[Sniliabiz]

Perhaps if you had said what you meant the first time, you wouldn't be furiously backpedaling now.

Not backpedaling off of anything the remark was just an aside with the word "likely" indicating I had no evidence other than multiple observations of many leading Dems supporting cuts in Social Security. (Blowing Richard's point about conservatives out of the water) It was not my main point. If you want to make that a big deal, whatever. What is important is the Demonstration of at least three uber-libs on this board are unable to logically make rational conclusions based on answers from poll questions, that just about any 5 year-old could make. And the clueless twin-mods triumphantly proclaim their ignorance.

[fetesiceWaist]

No, Paul, you don't get off that easily. Any time anyone you disagree with doesn't state their position with absolute precision, you are completely incapable of interpreting anything that is implicit in their statement, and spend multiple posts arguing about how that person either flip-flopped, can't express him/herself well, or outright lied.

So, now it's your turn. Are you changing your position, or are you simply incapable of stating what you mean the first time?

But at least you've manned up and admitted that you have no concrete evidence for your first statement.

[Teareerah]

No, Paul, you don't get off that easily. Any time anyone you disagree with doesn't state their position with absolute precision, you are completely incapable of interpreting anything that is implicit in their statement, and spend multiple posts arguing about how that person either flip-flopped, can't express him/herself well, or outright lied.

So, now it's your turn. Are you changing your position, or are you simply incapable of stating what you mean the first time?

But at least you've manned up and admitted that you have no concrete evidence for your first statement.

Never said I had evidence, I said "likely" which implies probably, so I said More Dems are probably in favor of cutting social security than (Conservatives). As a said this was an aside. Of course you took the statement to mean that I believe "most" Dems favor Social Security cuts. That is a conclusion that only someone severely challanged in reading comprehension and logic would make. Not suprising from you, of course. DES a little more so.
That said that statement is not really relevant it was just an aside and was actually my 3rd statement. The first being:
Wow, talk about presenting false choices. and the second being: Really, I didn't know that cutting Social Security was a key part of the Conservative economic Agenda. When you asked me to give evidence to back up my statement I naturally assumed you meant my second as it didn't occur to me that anyone would be stupid enough to ask for evidence backing up a statement beginning with "It is likely" a phrase which indicates a degree of uncertainity. But apparently you fall into that category.

So what is that, at least three times, you have failed massively in drawing conclusions from the wriitten word in this thread alone? A really pathetic display by you.

BTW -- Have you asked any five-year-olds to explain the fallacy in your logical conclusions to the poll question Richard posted? Please.

[zzquo0iR]

Have you asked your niece to help you in expressing yourself clearly? She could probably be of great assistance to you.

All I asked was for you to give evidence that supported your opinion that more Democrats than Republicans supported cuts to Social Security. All you've done since then is dance around the question and attempt to deflect it with accusations about everyone else's intelligence.

Someone with a real interest in discussion wouldn't do that, but would answer the question. so what you're showing us is that you either don't have an answer, or are so firmly locked into your agenda that no discussion is possible, or maybe both.

[VINPELA]

On what information do you base that statement?

Which Statement? Did you make yourself clear? Not even close

[XangadsX]

Your response indicates NOTHING about "more Dems" supporting cuts in SS. It only involves a few members of a commission.

Statistically, on what do you base your claim? Back it up, or shut it up.

This is how you foster discussion? Please?

[IRMartin]

Have you asked your niece to help you in expressing yourself clearly? She could probably be of great assistance to you.

All I asked was for you to give evidence that supported your opinion that more Democrats than Republicans supported cuts to Social Security. All you've done since then is dance around the question and attempt to deflect it with accusations about everyone else's intelligence.

Someone with a real interest in discussion wouldn't do that, but would answer the question. so what you're showing us is that you either don't have an answer, or are so firmly locked into your agenda that no discussion is possible, or maybe both.

First of all its Conservatives not Republicans the terms are not synonomous. Richard was speaking of Conservatives. I admitted I don't have specific evidence to back up my postulation. But you don't have any evidence to prove my statement wrong. So I could be right could be wrong, so what? If you want to investigate it further, as it seems to be so very important to you go ahead, but I don't really care. That said the statement is irrelevant to the discussion on this thread that is about whether or not Richard can claim that the idea of cutting Social security is a Key Conservative idea when the evidence I did bring forward clearly indicates strong and long term Democratic Leadership support for the idea. The secondary topic on this thread is about drawing logical conclusions from poll Data in regards to the limitations of that poll, again I provide ample evidence that the conclusions that you, Richard and DES drew from the Data are illogical. Neither of which you seem to understand or even care about discussing, instead you would rather focus on an aside in an attempt to avoid either challanging Richard or Defending him. No you don't want discussion, you just want everyone who doesn't share your views to shut it up because you cannot apparently make an honest defense of them.

Defend Richard's position that cutting Social Security taxes is a Key Conservative idea rather than one that Democrats have long supported.

Defend your conclusion that the poll question means that Dems don't support cutting Social Security. Not that they prefer raising taxes on the wealthy to cutting social security, which are two different things entirely.