[Buyemae]

I have watched you, repeatedly, talk down about any kind of governmental help, whether it's welfare or "ObamaCare". You've repeatedly talked down about people living on the "public dole".

Zion, which you know all Latter Day Saints are working to live for, would be a Utopian life where class distinctions mean nothing and we're all sharing what we have with one another so everyone has enough. Isn't this what you believe in? That one day you'll live in Zion?

You honestly are doing a disservice to us, other Mormons, with your continual badmouthing of the exact things your own Church believes in. Will you tell your Bishop he shouldn't send members who are in a financial bind to the Bishop's Storehouse for food and necessities? Or how about a member who has lost their job and goes to his or her Bishop for help with their bills? Do you think they're using the system? Do you talk down about them behind their backs? Are they just too lazy to do their work?

I'm sorry, mods, you can delete if you want, but these are honest questions I'd like answered (not that I'll get an answer).

[topbonuscasino]

Wow, I'm not deleting. I'm waiting for an answer. Many of Sidewinder/Regis' positions have long seemed to many of us to fly in the face of not just what you've described, but many of the tenets of Christ's teachings in general.

On the old LD forum, he once conjured up a supposed biblical quote that Jesus instructed his disciples to take up arms against their enemies.

[adunnyByday]

Richard, I just got done reading the Book of Mormon in it's entirety, finished it about a month and a half ago. And while it has a lot of violence in it (the non-believers fighting the believers), and Nephi killed a wicked king or pharaoh (That was at the beginning and I don't remember exactly), I don't recall Christ telling his followers to take up arms against their enemies in the book, ever. But I can go back and check.

I know at one point God told the believers to put down their arms and not fight their enemies (this was before Christ appeared to them after his crucifixion).

[violetgorman]

I have watched you, repeatedly, talk down about any kind of governmental help, whether it's welfare or "ObamaCare". You've repeatedly talked down about people living on the "public dole".

Zion, which you know all Latter Day Saints are working to live for, would be a Utopian life where class distinctions mean nothing and we're all sharing what we have with one another so everyone has enough. Isn't this what you believe in? That one day you'll live in Zion?

You honestly are doing a disservice to us, other Mormons, with your continual badmouthing of the exact things your own Church believes in. Will you tell your Bishop he shouldn't send members who are in a financial bind to the Bishop's Storehouse for food and necessities? Or how about a member who has lost their job and goes to his or her Bishop for help with their bills? Do you think they're using the system? Do you talk down about them behind their backs? Are they just too lazy to do their work?

I'm sorry, mods, you can delete if you want, but these are honest questions I'd like answered (not that I'll get an answer).

Do you know the difference between voluntary and forced contributions. The first one is charity the second is theft. Where in LDS theology does it call for the theft of the wealth of others to support this Utopia of Zion? There is nothing inconsistent with condeming what is going on outside (on the public dole) the church while affirming charity within the church. In fact it is you who wants to enforce your religous beliefs (establishment of your Zionist Utopia) on others. Pathetic.

[dserbokim]

Do you know the difference between voluntary and forced contributions. The first one is charity the second is theft. Where in LDS theology does it call for the theft of the wealth of others to support this Utopia of Zion? There is nothing inconsistent with condeming what is going on outside (on the public dole) the church while affirming charity within the church. In fact it is you who wants to enforce your religous beliefs (establishment of your Zionist Utopia) on others. Pathetic.

I'm not wanting to force my religious beliefs on anybody, thank you. But I'm not publicly claiming to be a member of a religious belief system and at the same time stating things that are exactly opposite what my religion preaches.

[herawaq]

Sorry, "Lieutenant", I don't reply to bigots. If you want the official LDS definition of "Zion" I suggest you send an email to church headquarters in Salt Lake City or contact some LDS missionaries since you clearly have no clue about the religion. They can help you with doctrinal questions.

I hope you can get over your hatred someday, life is too short to go through it with a chip on your shoulder. In the meantime, don't ever contact me again.

Best wishes.

And would somebody please tell me who "REGIS" is???

[Peter Hill]

You barely reply at all. You just hit and run. And what's with this "who is Regis" stuff? Have you lost your mind? Do you have some kind of degenerative neurological condition that has caused you to forget the past five or six years? I can assure you, we haven't forgotten. Perhaps this is this some kind of long-term Drudge/Limbaugh/Beck exposure syndrome yet unknown to medical science, sort of like the effects of lead poisoning.

[royarnekara]

Wait did dude really tell someone else to get over their hatred?

[GlarlraTpople]

Then there's that. What she said.

[vvxtiopmx]

Well, at least we know Lt. Dallas isn't a bigot, otherwise Sidewinder (who isn't Regis ) wouldn't have replied.

[Edqpdnuu]

Sorry, "Lieutenant", I don't reply to bigots. If you want the official LDS definition of "Zion" I suggest you send an email to church headquarters in Salt Lake City or contact some LDS missionaries since you clearly have no clue about the religion. They can help you with doctrinal questions.

I hope you can get over your hatred someday, life is too short to go through it with a chip on your shoulder. In the meantime, don't ever contact me again.

Best wishes.

And would somebody please tell me who "REGIS" is???

I'm a member of the church and even before becoming a member was immersed in the religion for four and a half years, and we've been discussing Zion for the last year, but thank you, Regis/Sidewinder/whatever it is you're calling yourself now. You obviously knew who this was directed at, or you wouldn't have replied at all.

LMAO at me being a bigot. Pot, kettle, black. I'm trying to figure out the hatred comment, as well. It's called trying to understand someone.

[natahololll]

I'm a member of the church and even before becoming a member was immersed in the religion for four and a half years, and we've been discussing Zion for the last year, but thank you, Regis/Sidewinder/whatever it is you're calling yourself now. You obviously knew who this was directed at, or you wouldn't have replied at all.

LMAO at me being a bigot. Pot, kettle, black. I'm trying to figure out the hatred comment, as well. It's called trying to understand someone.

Yeah, that part struck me funny, that he responds to the post as if it's addressed towards him, including saying for you not to contact him again, then questions at whom it's addressed.

Sidewinder's post on this thread just confirmed what I've always believed him to be:

A clueless coward.

[royarnekara]

I'm not wanting to force my religious beliefs on anybody, thank you. But I'm not publicly claiming to be a member of a religious belief system and at the same time stating things that are exactly opposite what my religion preaches.

You make no distinction between private charity and public welfare policy. Apparently for you they are one and the same. It is highly unlikely that your religious doctrine calls for the confiscation of the wealth of non-believers to be distributed in a manner your "religion preaches." Not understanding this distinction causes you to be ignorant and confused when commenting on the religious beliefs of Sidewinder/Regis. This ignorance and confusion is the direct cause of your hateful bigoted remarks toward that member. Is that what your religion preaches? For all you know Sidewinder/Regis contributes a significant portion of his wealth toward the "Bishops Storehouse" or perhaps he doesn't. Either way that is separate from his religion as I doubt that there is an LDS prohibition against saying that Government is not the best entity for the distribution charity.

[WaysletlyLene]

Bigoted, huh? I'm still trying to figure that out.

FYI, My Bishop and other Elders in the church told me when I lost my job, if I needed to to go to the State and get on Medicaid for myself and my son and/or food stamps. I chose not to do either, because I haven't needed those in 15 years, why start now? And I only went to the Bishop's Storehouse after my Relief Society President urged me to, and after several urgings from my Bishop.

We're taught to help others in any way we can. I'm not sure where the "stealing the wealth" of others comes in. Taxes are taxes and they're a part of life and they get distributed as the government feels necessary. Everyone in my Ward in church are all very patriotic, including myself. If you have a problem with paying taxes that help others, I feel sorry for you. I don't believe that anything I've said in any of this thread has been either bigoted or prejudiced. But thank you for putting words in my mouth.

[strollerssfsfs]

Bigoted, huh? I'm still trying to figure that out.

FYI, My Bishop and other Elders in the church told me when I lost my job, if I needed to to go to the State and get on Medicaid for myself and my son and/or food stamps. I chose not to do either, because I haven't needed those in 15 years, why start now? And I only went to the Bishop's Storehouse after my Relief Society President urged me to, and after several urgings from my Bishop.

We're taught to help others in any way we can. I'm not sure where the "stealing the wealth" of others comes in. Taxes are taxes and they're a part of life and they get distributed as the government feels necessary. Everyone in my Ward in church are all very patriotic, including myself. If you have a problem with paying taxes that help others, I feel sorry for you. I don't believe that anything I've said in any of this thread has been either bigoted or prejudiced. But thank you for putting words in my mouth.

Its unfortunate that the face of Mormonism presented to the political forum up to now by Regis/Sidewinder has been that of an angry bigot operating as almost a parody of a fever-swap conspiracy quoting, tax-hating, war-loving, right-wing extremist.

Your version is much more interesting.

[robstamps]

bigot (ˈbɪɡət)

— n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race


Hmmmm, this definition just doesn't fit Lt Dallas.

[bMc8F9ZI]

It fits a couple of others, though.

[Crundaangerge]

Its unfortunate that the face of Mormonism presented to the political forum up to now by Regis/Sidewinder has been that of an angry bigot operating as almost a parody of a fever-swap conspiracy quoting, tax-hating, war-loving, right-wing extremist.

Your version is much more interesting.

We're taught to be patriotic, and to love our neighbors in the true Christlike sense, those that agree with us and those that don't. We're taught to help everyone regardless of their class distinction, their nationality, their skin color or their religious beliefs. We're taught that the best missionary action is by showing our love and compassion for others. Sidewinder/Regis does none of these things, and he makes self degrading remarks about the religion he claims consistently.

If it was only Sidewinder/Regis as my experience with the church, I wouldn't have been baptized on December 13, 2009. Thankfully, having lived in Salt Lake City for 13 months and having a best friend who is a member and being around her family for that year taught me what those that follow the religion really feel and believe in. Working with Mormons and them showing me their love and compassion through the hardest time in my life showed me what a wonderful religion this truly is, and I've never been happier. Which is why it makes me so sad the image that Sidewinder/Regis puts here on this board regularly of our faith.

[OlgaBorovikovva]

bigot (ˈbɪɡət)

— n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race


Hmmmm, this definition just doesn't fit Lt Dallas.

It fits a couple of others, though.

Thank you both. I have always prided myself on not being bigoted, but I suppose those that are only see those that don't believe as they do as bigoted, or they think it's the best insult they can give me.

[lorrieholdridge]

Quite an interesting discovery today while I was at church. I was in my Gospel Principles class, and we were talking about work and self reliance (which the church is big on). Anyway, my teacher had gone to a meeting this morning for the senior priests. The church believes in taking care of yourself first, and your family second. The people in my class had been taught before that if you couldn't take care of yourself and your family, that then you went to the church for help. But that's changed a bit. They told the priests that the bishops and stake presidents should counsel the members to first seek help from local government, and then when that's exhausted, seek state and federal government aid, and THEN, when they still need help, ask the church for help.