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reachmanxx 06-30-2012 06:51 PM

Civil Disobedience
 
If you've never read this brilliant short essay by Henry David Thoreau, you should. Published in 1849, the themes resonate today...




"I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe--"That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government. The standing army is only an arm of the standing government. The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it. Witness the present Mexican war, the work of comparatively a few individuals using the standing government as their tool; for in the outset, the people would not have consented to this measure."

Read the rest here: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literatu...obedience.html

RarensussyRen 06-30-2012 07:52 PM

“We need the tonic of wildness...At the same time that we are earnest to explore and learn all things, we require that all things be mysterious and unexplorable, that land and sea be indefinitely wild, unsurveyed and unfathomed by us because unfathomable. We can never have enough of nature.”

A very wise man.

dhrishiasv 06-30-2012 08:00 PM

He was brilliant.

Mello 06-30-2012 08:13 PM

“To be a philosopher is not merely to have subtle thoughts, nor even to found a school, but so to love wisdom as to live according to its dictates, a life of simplicity, independence, magnanimity and trust.”

It is amazing how relevant his words are even today. Shame more people don't follow them though!

trorseIrripsy 06-30-2012 08:17 PM

Most people don't think. I mean, really think...

BgpOoGI2 06-30-2012 08:19 PM

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He was brilliant.
Didn't he go live on a pond or something?

I think he wrote a book or magazine article about it.

My Oklahoma education missed a few thangs.

prkddfokic 06-30-2012 08:20 PM

“What's the use of a fine house if you haven't got a tolerable planet to put it on?”

People are too busy being busy to truly think.

sisimelanyk 06-30-2012 08:21 PM

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Didn't he go live on a pond or something?

I think he wrote a book or magazine article about it.

My Oklahoma education missed a few thangs.
Walden.

encumeterz 06-30-2012 08:21 PM

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Didn't he go live on a pond or something?

I think he wrote a book or magazine article about it.

My Oklahoma education missed a few thangs.
For 2 years, 2 months and 2 days.

cwgwowcom 06-30-2012 08:29 PM

yet Henry voted for stinkin. no logic here.

lXwVlTgO 06-30-2012 08:37 PM

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Walden.
Wasn't that the guy that started walmarts?

ElenaEvgeevnaa 06-30-2012 08:38 PM

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For 2 years, 2 months and 2 days.
Nah, I was in school a little longer than that.......like 4 years or sumthin'.

Fouttysotlalf 06-30-2012 08:41 PM

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Nah, I was in school a little longer than that.......like 4 years or sumthin'.
http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/big grin.gif Long time!

Thoreau should be on the compulsory curriculum.

The majority of people I know have never heard of him - always shocked that I am interested in philosophy though!

haudraufwienix 06-30-2012 08:42 PM

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yet Henry voted for stinkin. no logic here.

Says who?

Kryfamid 06-30-2012 08:43 PM

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Says who?

says the peeps he hung with. all his buddies were radical republicans.

Wgnhqhlg 06-30-2012 08:43 PM

"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation. From the desperate city you go into the desperate country, and have to console yourself with the bravery of minks and muskrats. A stereotyped but unconscious despair is concealed even under what are called the games and amusements of mankind. There is no play in them, for this comes after work. But it is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things."

ChuttyAmult 06-30-2012 08:45 PM

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says the peeps he hung with. all his buddies were radical republicans.
Emerson voted for Lincoln, based on abolitionist leanings.

While he was also a severe abolitionist, I doubt that Thoreau voted at all. He often disparaged the practice...

fissasste 06-30-2012 08:47 PM

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Emerson voted for Lincoln, based on abolitionist leanings.

While he was also a severe abolitionist, I doubt that Thoreau voted at all. He often disparaged the practice...

not only that, i find it very ironic that Brown was financed exclusively by ohions, neyorkers, and assashutsians.

km2000 06-30-2012 08:47 PM


"The amount of it is, if the majority vote the devil to be God, the minority will live and behave accordingly, trusting that some time or other, by some Speaker's casting vote, perhaps, they may reinstate God. This is the highest principle I can get out or invent for my neighbors." -- Henry David Thoreau (Slavery in Massachusetts)

Lymnempomma 06-30-2012 08:48 PM

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not only that, i find it very ironic that Brown was financed exclusively by ohions, neyorkers, and assashutsians.
Why?


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