[Deribasov]

I was talking with a friend the other day and just about lost my fucking mind over something he said.. I didn't say anything about it, but boy.. It was just about all I could do not to.

He was here with his son and suggested that everyone should have to undergo a term of forced service in the US military as a condition of citizenship.. Which has to be just about the stupidest fucking thing I think I've ever heard.

I'll forgive a little, legitimate, ignorance... And especially from a time when the entire country got its view of affairs from a handful of TV stations, a couple of newspapers, some out of date, biased tomes at the local library and the Encyclopedia Britannica. But I have a hard time suffering it now.. In the information age.

Americans have convinced themselves that signing up for service doing something completely pointless and expensive, a thousand miles away.. Often as not working for a CIC who is either an incompetent or a draft dodger himself, is a worthwhile pursuit for which the entire country should be grateful. This is RIDICULOUS. I'm not grateful at all, and a bunch of those people who (Especially in the wake of 9/11) did join up for the right reasons (I won't mention the ones who signed up to fill sand bags and collect benefits.. Because they are human scum with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.) should be angered that their lives and limbs were squandered on silly endeavors that are wholly unrelated to US National Security.

Seriously.. If you had a son who lost a leg in Afghanistan, can you honestly say that his sacrifice was "worth it" That he suffered protecting the Country and the Constitution he pledged to defend? I wouldn't.. I'd say he was sent to do something any sane country would never do, and he suffered for it.. And while that's regrettable (As is all tragedy) it was a complete waste from a National Security standpoint. Just a net loss all the way around.. It cost us big money which his kids, and their kids, will have to pay back.. . It cost him his leg. We're no safer as a result.. It's just a complete loser any way I look at it.

Let's just be honest with ourselves: We're not talking storming the beach at Normandy here.. We're talking about a bombed out shit hole with resources and transportation corridors that we want to make safe for investment. If I had a kid injured in pursuit of something so ridiculous, I'd be every bit as angry with the CIC who sent him there than I would be with the bombers who cost him his leg. I'd just apportion blame all around..

But this thread isn't really about the military, or conscription.. It's about things silly things that Americans convince themselves of.. for various reasons.. (Often cultural) and sometimes with disastrous results.

Can you think of any other examples of stupid ideas we should completely purge from our culture?

Things like: China has a "President" but Cuba and North Korea have "Dictators" Why is this? Well, apparently because China permits Multi-Nationals and private investment, and they put their top Commie in a suit instead of a military uniform.

Whites are a "Majority" who are in the minority almost everywhere on earth... A situation we seek to rectify here, but nobody else seems to give a big shit about..

Women are somehow considered a "minority" who comprise a majority of the population..

Etc.. Etc..

[brulpcoersero]

It could be argued that when there was a draft this nation had stronger morals. However, Vietnam occurred during the mandatory draft and that era gave this nation the extreme left aka the looney left.

Military service can take a complete asswipe and teach him to be a responsible individual, it can also take complete asswipes and turn them into people that allegedly kill presidents and shoot people from the tower of a Texas University. Though was Marine service responsible for those two incidents or was living in the State of Texas?

[tuszit]

It could be argued that when there was a draft this nation had stronger morals. However, Vietnam occurred during the mandatory draft and that era gave this nation the extreme left aka the looney left.

Perhaps.. But I fail to see a clear cause and consequence here.

Military service can take a complete asswipe and teach him to be a responsible individual, it can also take complete asswipes and turn them into people that allegedly kill presidents and shoot people from the tower of a Texas University. Though was Marine service responsible for those two incidents or was living in the State of Texas? I think the last one was determined to be a brain tumor.. The first? I'm not sure what to think about that one..

[robinthesearchmasterh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

9/11 served as the pretext along with all the lies about "yellow cake" and WMDs that took us into Iraq.

On September 20, 2001 (nine days after the September 11, 2001 attacks), the PNAC sent a letter to President George W. Bush, advocating "a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq," or regime change:

...even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism. The Israelis want all of Palestine and they want to remove all the non Jews from it in order to preserve their "Jewish identity". The Palestinians don't like gradually being kicked out and living in a giant concentration camp, so they throw rocks at Israelis and launch small and mostly ineffective rockets at them. These rockets occasionally kill someone. Also on occasion some hopelessly desperate and angry Iraqi or Arab is persuaded to blow himself up for the cause and possibly so his family will be awarded few dollars.

The Israelis don't like this resistance so they need the whole area surrounding them neutralized in order to ensure themselves Lebensraum.



According to critics, including Paul Reynolds, PNAC promoted American "hegemony" and "full-spectrum" dominance in its publications. Ebrahim Afsah, in "Creed, Cabal, or Conspiracy – The Origins of the Current Neo-Conservative Revolution in US Strategic Thinking", published in the German Law Journal, cited Jochen Bölsche's view that the goal of the PNAC was world dominance or global hegemony by the United States.
George Monbiot, a political activist from the United Kingdom, stated: "...to pretend that this battle begins and ends in Iraq requires a willful denial of the context in which it occurs. That context is a blunt attempt by the superpower to reshape the world to suit itself."[36]

PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan countered such criticism in his statement during a debate on whether or not "The United States Is, and Should Be, an Empire": "There is a vital distinction between being powerful--even most powerful in the world--and being an empire. Economic expansion does not equal imperialism, and there is no such thing as "cultural imperialism". If America is an empire, then why was it unable to mobilize its subjects to support the war against Saddam Hussein? America is not an empire, and its power stems from voluntary associations and alliances. American hegemony is relatively well accepted because people all over the world know that U.S. forces will eventually withdraw from the occupied territories. The effect of declaring that the United States is an empire would not only be factually wrong, but strategically catastrophic. Contrary to the exploitative purposes of the British, the American intentions of spreading democracy and individual rights are incompatible with the notion of an empire. The genius of American power is expressed in the movie The Godfather II, where, like Hyman Roth, the United States has always made money for its partners. America has not turned countries in which it intervened into deserts; it enriched them. Even the Russians knew they could surrender after the Cold War without being subjected to occupation." Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" This was written before 9/11.

PNAC has since been disbanded, if in name only because there is a new committee or whatever it's called which is little more than a continuation of the old. The name change leaves the impression that this is a thing of the past.

The Jews behind all of this, being the advertising specialist they they are, know the value of assigning the right labels and choosing the right words to call things in order to sell the public anything. Americans, busy with their personal lives don't have the time to investigate every move these people make nor can they depend on an unbiased news media to give them the information they need to evaluate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jRT...eature=related

[Rndouglas]

http://youtu.be/9ACgx2oDHAE
http://youtu.be/GDyXMlrHJWk
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THAT KIND OF TALK .... INDENTURED SERVITUTE FOR THOSE GUILTY OF

THE CRIME OF BEING YOUNG..... INFURIATES ME.


SUCH PEOPLE SHOULD IMMIGRANT TO THEIR NATURAL HOME....

THE PEOPLES' REPUBLIC OF NORTH KOREA.

[espenijij]

PS:




YOU'RE NUTS, BITCH.

[Onervemurce]

its a philly sock

[SkapySisy]

when philly removes just one crayola from his nasal passages, he morphs into holston.

[Roxanjbra]

...AND FUCK YOU IN THE FACE, BLOOMBERG....


YOU GOD-DAMNED COG-NAZI BAG OF SHIT.

[Seisyvose]

um, he doesnt even read this web site. hes on Champlain fishing and partying it up.

[xsexymasterix]

http://youtu.be/9ACgx2oDHAE
http://youtu.be/GDyXMlrHJWk
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MAY A FLYING CARP KNOCK HIM OUT OF THE BOAT AND

FLY UP HIS ASS AND EXPLODE.


FUCK THAT BAG OF SHIT.

[Stetbrate]

"our country needs israel as an strategic ally in the ME, well not just that.. they need american taxpayer money"

[TerAlelmlor]

GO FUCK YOURSELF, FURBIO.

[weaddercaps]

you do like to donate to israel, don't you klienkike?

[hHwJ229h]

http://youtu.be/9ACgx2oDHAE
http://youtu.be/GDyXMlrHJWk
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THAT KIND OF TALK .... INDENTURED SERVITUTE FOR THOSE GUILTY OF

THE CRIME OF BEING YOUNG..... INFURIATES ME.


SUCH PEOPLE SHOULD IMMIGRANT TO THEIR NATURAL HOME....

THE PEOPLES' REPUBLIC OF NORTH KOREA.

Indeed...

[BaselBimbooooo]

"our country needs israel as an strategic ally in the ME, well not just that.. they need american taxpayer money"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jRT...eature=related

[fgfblog]

THAT KIND OF TALK .... INDENTURED SERVITUTE FOR THOSE GUILTY OF

THE CRIME OF BEING YOUNG..... INFURIATES ME.

SUCH PEOPLE SHOULD IMMIGRANT TO THEIR NATURAL HOME....

THE PEOPLES' REPUBLIC OF NORTH KOREA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jRT...eature=related

[Arr34ston]

And, yeah Holston.. I think 9/11 stinks too.

Our behavior following the attack is all the proof I need.

But, the point is that, there were a lot of people who joined the military at that time for completely pure reasons.. And I don't fault them.

They just didn't know any better and NATURALLY assumed they would be defending the US.

They thought this because they are young and pure at heart.. And there's nothing to find fault with there.

Their leaders are another matter, however.

[Immampdah]

After reading the original post I scanned the replies to see who would say it first.
And the winner is...Kleinbok

THAT KIND OF TALK .... INDENTURED SERVITUTE FOR THOSE GUILTY OF

THE CRIME OF BEING YOUNG..... INFURIATES ME. Indentured servitude.

Constitution of the united States
Amendment 13

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

I would assume the clause; except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, modifies involuntary servitude only and not both slavery and involuntary servitude.
That poorly written section could get us in trouble some day.

[andreas]

IT ALLOWS FOR JAIL/WORKHOUSE... FOR CRIMINALS DULY CONVICTED.

IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE MILITARY DRAFT...LET ALONE THE IMPRESSMENT

OF CITIZENS... OF ANY AGE. .