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Old 06-16-2012, 03:16 PM   #1
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Default State Sovereignty is the minimum requirement for liberty

Liberty can only survive in small populations. Even the states are probably too large, and too populated, to be truly free.

It's about more than smaller government.

It's about smaller nation.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:20 PM   #2
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YOU ARE FUCKED ! NUFF SED !
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:21 PM   #3
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Hardly. But most people are, I'm sure.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:22 PM   #4
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Hardly. But most people are, I'm sure.
YOU WHITE ? YOU FUCKED !
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:24 PM   #5
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SHUT UP, YOU GOD-DAMNED IDIOT.









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Old 06-16-2012, 03:25 PM   #6
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LIMITED GOVERNMENT IS THE ONLY REQUISITE.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:27 PM   #7
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LIMITED GOVERNMENT IS THE ONLY REQUISITE.
You will never find limited government spanning a nation of 300 million+

That's a pipedream.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:28 PM   #8
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CHINA IS, IN MANY WAYS, NOW FREE-ER THAN THE U.S.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:29 PM   #9
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http://youtu.be/uhtabJn7ilg

http://youtu.be/ML8IH7F8P-k

http://youtu.be/RdVMQbZwP-0
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LIBERTY IS AS VAST AS THE UNIVERSE.


TYRANNY IS AS BIG AS ITS FENCES.... PSYCHOLOGICAL


OR PHYSICAL.


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Old 06-16-2012, 03:30 PM   #10
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CHINA IS, IN MANY WAYS, NOW FREE-ER THAN THE U.S.
China may be more economically free.

Still a hellhole, though.

Diversity is also bad for liberty, by the way.

China has a fairly homogeneous culture, which is a benefit.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:35 PM   #11
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I'm speaking specifically about the USA, in 2012, with the thread title. Unless we return to constitutional states' rights, we have absolutely no chance at liberty.

We probably need to go a hell of a lot farther than that.

The President should be about as important and recognizable to us as the secretary-general of the UN is.

It should be a mostly honorary position, with very little power attached to it.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:37 PM   #12
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http://youtu.be/uhtabJn7ilg

http://youtu.be/ML8IH7F8P-k

http://youtu.be/RdVMQbZwP-0
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WE HAVE ALL THE MEANS AND FACILITIES NECESSARY TO THE

FUNCTIONING OF A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, OF ANY GEOGRAPHIC SIZE,

AND OF ANY POPULATION..... AT HAND,


IN PLACE, AND READY TO USE.


WITNESS THE EASE WITH WHICH YOU AND I COMMUNICATE


ACROSS 1500 MILES... IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE FOUNDERS MONTHS TO

TRAVERSE THAT DISTANCE.... AND GREAT RISK.


A MORE NUMEROUS FREE POPULATION IS INHERENTLY

STRONGER THAN A SMALLER ONE.



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Old 06-16-2012, 03:39 PM   #13
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POTUS IS A MOSTLY HONORARY POSITION.

ONLY THE IGNORANT SUPPOSE OTHERWISE.



WE SUFFER OUR CONGRESS TO ALLOW THE

EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO RUN RENEGADE....

AND LIKEWISE THE JUDICIARY.

WHY WE, THE PEOPLE, TOLERATE THIS

BEHAVIOUR ON THE PART OF OUR

REPRESENTATIVES ASSEMBLED I CANNOT

SAY.



I SAY, FIRE THEM ALL!!!!!!!




GOD DAMN THIS TYRANNY!
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:40 PM   #14
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WE HAVE ALL THE MEANS AND FACILITIES NECESSARY TO THE

FUNCTIONING OF A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, OF ANY GEOGRAPHIC SIZE,

AND OF ANY POPULATION..... AT HAND,


IN PLACE, AND READY TO USE.


WITNESS THE EASE WITH WHICH YOU AND I COMMUNICATE


ACROSS 1500 MILES... IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE FOUNDERS MONTHS TO

TRAVERSE THAT DISTANCE.... AND GREAT RISK.


A MORE NUMEROUS FREE POPULATION IS INHERENTLY

STRONGER THAN A SMALLER ONE.
I agree, that a union of states actually preserves liberty, but those states themselves must be free, for the most part, from interference.

Power should wane as you move farther and farther out from the individual.

Individual
Family
Community
County
State
Federation
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:46 PM   #15
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CORRECT...

AND AGAIN... WE ALLOW OUR CONGRESS

TO USURP OUR CONSTITUTION.

WE OUGHT TO PUT A STOP TO THAT...

IT CAN BE DONE CONVENIENTLY.



THIS YOWLING ABOUT A


NON-CONTESTED PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ANNOYS ME.



OUR PROBLEMS PROCEED FROM


MALIGNANT LEGISLATION... NOT THE PRATTLING OF

OBAMA... AND REPLACING HIM WITH A

MORE TYRANNICAL PRATTLER ...OR WITH A REAGAN....


WILL NOT EFFECT A REMEMDY.


CONGRESS IS THE POWER CENTER OF

THE CONSTITUTION-BREAKERS.


REFORM THE CONGRESS IF YOU WOULD

REFORM THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT.


IT IS THE CONGRESS'S DUTY, TOGETHER WITH

THE JUDICIARY, TO RESTRAIN ANY EXCESS ON

THE PART OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, OR ANY

ELEMENT OR AGENT THERE OF.


CONGRESS ANSWERS TO US.... TO THE PEOPLE.


2012 IS AN ELECTION YEAR.


LET US HOLD OUR REPRESENTATIVES

ACCOUNTABLE ...TO US.... FOR THEIR

SERIAL MALFEASANCE LONG-CONTINUED.

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Old 06-16-2012, 03:51 PM   #16
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JAPAN IS A VERY HOMOGENOUS SOCIETY...

YET THEY HAVE DISCARDED LIBERTY AND CHOSEN A

CHOKING BUREAUCRACY.


GO FIGGER.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:57 PM   #17
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JAPAN IS A VERY HOMOGENOUS SOCIETY...

YET THEY HAVE DISCARDED LIBERTY AND CHOSEN A

CHOKING BUREAUCRACY.


GO FIGGER.
Right. It goes both ways, of course.

A bunch of tyranny-loving people will embrace tyranny. A bunch of liberty-loving people will embrace liberty.

Importing a bunch of tyranny-lovers into a liberty-loving community is going to create problems...

Furthermore, the people of Vermont have different cultural notions than the people of New Mexico, and each should be free to govern and live by those notions. There is no reason to try to force people to live by some "national culture"...
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:04 PM   #18
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http://youtu.be/uhtabJn7ilg

http://youtu.be/ML8IH7F8P-k

http://youtu.be/RdVMQbZwP-0
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WE STILL HAVE AN EXCELLENT CONSTITUTION...

BUT WE MUST REQUIRE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS

TO ABIDE BY IT.

WE ARE NOT DOING SO.

WE ARE NOT GOVERNING.


WE ARE SUBMITTING TO BEING GOVERNED.


WE HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME FOR THAT.....

BUT US.


FIRE THE CONGRESS.

OR BEND OVER.



THERE'S THE CHOICE.

WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF A CHOICE, STILL.



LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR LIBERTY

TO REFORM OUR GOVENMENT.


NOW.

IN 2012.


IGNORE THE MOOT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION...

THAT'S A DONE DEAL... AND IT'S NOT SO IMPORATNT.


WE MUST REFORM AND CORRECT THIS CONGRESS.

THAT IS IMPORTANT.... AND THE ELECTION

IS BY NO MEANS SETTLED AS CONCERNS

MOST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:07 PM   #19
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A BUNCH OF LIBERTY-LOVING PEOPLE

ALLOW THE CLAMOR OF THE IDIOT MEDIA

TO DISTRACT THEM FROM THE REAL

BUSINESS OF RESTORING OUR DAMAGED


LIBERTY...WITH THE SILLY CIRCUS OF

A FIXED PRESIDENTIAL RACE, AND OTHER FLUFF,

STUFF, AND NONSENSE... FROM TRAVON TO


SOME LITTLE WARBLER'S BRA STRAP BREAKDOWN.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:09 PM   #20
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IT'S THE CONGRESS, PEOPLE.....


THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS.




FIRE 'EM!


FIRE 'EM ALL!!!!!




CHECKMATE OBAMA.

DIS ENFRANCHISE THE TOADIES AND

THE WOOERS!


JERK THE GROUND OUT FROM

UNDER THIS SOLD-OUT WASHINGTON TYRANNY!
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