[Peterli]

Yes, it most certainly is.

Yeah, the budget doesn't even balance till 2040.. And there's a one hell of a lot of assumptions between then and now.

It's not a serious plan..

[perhilzit]

as the unborn have no value and can be aborted, so shall the infirm among the elderly be put down for the good of the many.

I have always thought that abortion had ominous implications for the elderly. Whatever the inconvenience of an unwanted child, it is small compared to the claim of Social Security and Medicare on society’s resources. A society comfortable with killing the unborn will lack the moral scruples to reject euthanasia.

It is not difficult to imagine the US government assigning a specified number of retirement years to citizens, and then you take a pill. The declining respect for life is also indicated by the fact that there is no move to impeach Obama for drawing up lists of people, including US citizens, to be executed without due process and by the fact that few Americans even blink an eye at the murder by their government of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the name of a hoax "war on terror." With society's resources shrinking, the demonization of Social Security endangers the elderly.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/writing-off-the-elderly

[AdvertisingPo]

Yeah, the budget doesn't even balance till 2040.. And there's a one hell of a lot of assumptions between then and now.

It's not a serious plan..

Hardly anyone even knows what the Ryan Plan is. They all talk about it, because they've heard soundbites about it. It's a joke.

It does not freeze or reduce government spending, and as you said, it doesn't balance the budget for decades, if ever.

[dserbokim]

IT'S A MANDATE FOR MORE OF THE SAME....


DRESSED UP AS REFORM.



AN OLD TRICK, BUT STILL VIABLE.

[forotis]

as the unborn have no value and can be aborted, so shall the infirm among the elderly be put down for the good of the many.

That's a bit of a leap, imo.. I think they intend to cull them as Obama said. With a pain pill as opposed to medical treatment.

They'll use expense to justify this.

[gennick]

That's a bit of a leap, imo.. I think they intend to cull them as Obama said. With a pain pill as opposed to medical treatment.

They'll use expense to justify this.

yet look what's been accomplished, turning up the heat imperceptibly, over the last 50 years.

as previously stated, 'the soft approach.'

[carinsurancess]

The "Ryan Plan" is shit.. Okay?

It's just the only thing we've got to work from. and even THAT is considered to be too radical by many.

maybe, but its better than anything the demofucks have offered. maybe if congress actually did their jobs we could get to a plan that would work.

yes, the ryan plan takes too long, but its a start and it does eventually get to a balanced budget. the only to do it quickly is massive benefit cuts and much higher taxes, is that what you favor?

[paydayuscf]

the only to do it quickly is massive benefit cuts and much higher taxes, is that what you favor?

Constitutional government would cost about a fifth of what it does now..

[23InetrySypekek]

That's a bit of a leap, imo.. I think they intend to cull them as Obama said. With a pain pill as opposed to medical treatment.

They'll use expense to justify this.

mercy killing at the whim of a government employee--------hmmm, sounds like China.

personally I don't want some marginally competent GS9 making life and death decisions for me---do you?

[24MurinivaMak]

Constitutional government would cost about a fifth of what it does now..

sure, what would you cut?

[urbalatte]

sure, what would you cut?

Personally? Everything that's not in the constitution.. and I'd reign in the military from places it's not needed.

Realistically? You're going to have to means test SS and Medicare.. Reform them. Still cut the military and stop doing stupid things with it.

Those entitlements should be used to take an ax to the rest of government.. Everything from farm subsidies to cowboy poetry should get the AX.

[GoodLover]

http://youtu.be/uhtabJn7ilg

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ANYONE CAN GET THAT SHIT IN THE MARKET... IF THEY WANT IT ENOUGH

TO PAY FOR IT.

[Ygxejxox]

Personally? Everything that's not in the constitution.. and I'd reign in the military from places it's not needed.

Realistically? You're going to have to means test SS and Medicare.. Reform them. Still cut the military and stop doing stupid things with it.

Those entitlements should be used to take an ax to the rest of government.. Everything from farm subsidies to cowboy poetry should get the AX.

I agree on the military and foreign bases---if the host country wants us there to protect them, then they should pay the entire bill.

means testing is not the answer on SS and medicare. Everyone pays into those programs their entire working lives. If there is no opt out clause, then you can't tell a successful person that he/she is not entitled to the benefits they paid for. Reform those programs for young people, give them some choices.

farm subsidies, energy subsidies, art subsidies, planned parenthood subsidies, education subsidies, et al. should be eliminated completely.

[Machater]

means testing is not the answer on SS and medicare. Everyone pays into those programs their entire working lives. It's going to have to be that way..

The money is spent..

It no longer exists.

It's coming from their grand kids pockets now.. and there's not as many of them... And they aren't living through a golden age. Boom times.

[andreas]

It's going to have to be that way..

The money is spent..

It no longer exists.

It's coming from their grand kids pockets now.. and there's not as many of them... And they aren't living through a golden age. Boom times.

It will never happen, the SCOTUS would say that there is a contract between the govt and the people regarding SS and medicare. The answer is to make healthcare efficient and cost effective. Drug companies are making outrageous profits at our expense, 30% or more----and no one is bitching about it, while everyone bitches about the oil companies making 8%.

Just get the waste, fraud, and abuse out of the system and it would make a huge difference.

I had my knee scoped a few months ago. was in the hospital about 4 hours total. the bill was $27K. That is obscene.

[TritteTouff]

the bill was $27K Yes.. and there's 10K boomers a day going on the system..

Multiply that..

Even at a third of the cost.

[NumsAmenniams]

Yes.. and there's 10K boomers a day going on the system..

Multiply that..

Even at a third of the cost.

right, but my point is that the bill should not have been over 5K. Now in reality, the hospital wrote off whatever medicare and my supplemental policy would not pay. Its a game they play and it costs us all money.

[JTS_tv]

Still, there's no money..


Actually, less than no money. We're about 16T in the red beginning this game.

So, it's not like we're even beginning at zero.

[exettybele]

ROMNEY IS NOT GOING TO PAY YOUR

DOCTOR BILLS, ROMCAT.

[Dumpishchaism]

CLOSER TO 80 TRILLION.... AND ROARING UP.