[ForumMasta]

Okay, time for a classic battle of the ideologies. I argue that communism is a better system than capitalism with it's bubbles and busts and indebtedness. This will be a thread discussing the strengths and weaknesses of each system. My Communist viewpoints are scientific-utopian, a moneyless and ultimately a classless society with a single party rule, but government will mainly be administrative. Local councils will pass any needed legislation. I view socialism as a seperate system, sort of on the fence between capitalism and communism and blurring the lines between them. I welcome all viewpoints.

[12ZHeWZa]

Okay, time for a classic battle of the ideologies. I argue that communism is a better system than capitalism with it's bubbles and busts and indebtedness. This will be a thread discussing the strengths and weaknesses of each system. My Communist viewpoints are scientific-utopian, a moneyless and ultimately a classless society with a single party rule, but government will mainly be administrative. Local councils will pass any needed legislation. I view socialism as a seperate system, sort of on the fence between capitalism and communism and blurring the lines between them. I welcome all viewpoints.

..... you seem to know a lot about communism, could you provide some examples/history of countries that have put that political system into practice and give us the long term outcome/results of communist governments?

[asSexate]

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[constanyiskancho]

Okay, time for a classic battle of the ideologies. I argue that communism is a better system than capitalism with it's bubbles and busts and indebtedness. This will be a thread discussing the strengths and weaknesses of each system. My Communist viewpoints are scientific-utopian, a moneyless and ultimately a classless society with a single party rule, but government will mainly be administrative. Local councils will pass any needed legislation. I view socialism as a seperate system, sort of on the fence between capitalism and communism and blurring the lines between them. I welcome all viewpoints.

Whatever you wanna believe, man. Lots of people thought Socialism sounded good on paper, but when they saw it put into action, they knew what it was really about.

[opergolon]

Okay, time for a classic battle of the ideologies. I argue that communism is a better system than capitalism with it's bubbles and busts and indebtedness. This will be a thread discussing the strengths and weaknesses of each system. My Communist viewpoints are scientific-utopian, a moneyless and ultimately a classless society with a single party rule, but government will mainly be administrative. Local councils will pass any needed legislation. I view socialism as a seperate system, sort of on the fence between capitalism and communism and blurring the lines between them. I welcome all viewpoints.

What do you do to attenuate the innate desire for a person to keep the fruits of their own labor? How do you deal with people who want "more" if everybody is equal? Is this single party making the rules, or is it pure democracy at the local level?

[papadopul]

What do you do to attenuate the innate desire for a person to keep the fruits of their own labor? How do you deal with people who want "more" if everybody is equal? Is this single party making the rules, or is it pure democracy at the local level?

Oh. it's radical democracy now? People who want more affect the chain of corruption, like any system of governance.

[DownloadMan]

Okay, time for a classic battle of the ideologies. I argue that communism is a better system than capitalism with it's bubbles and busts and indebtedness. This will be a thread discussing the strengths and weaknesses of each system. My Communist viewpoints are scientific-utopian, a moneyless and ultimately a classless society with a single party rule, but government will mainly be administrative. Local councils will pass any needed legislation. I view socialism as a seperate system, sort of on the fence between capitalism and communism and blurring the lines between them. I welcome all viewpoints.

I'll bet you do, boy. I'll bet you do.

[exschke]

Whatever you wanna believe, man. Lots of people thought Socialism sounded good on paper, but when they saw it put into action, they knew what it was really about.

What was it really about?

[DevaRextusidis]

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No.

[AncewwewBus]

Communism has never existed on this planet, and the label is always inapplicable. The closest we ever got was Socialist Russia, and for a very brief time. Communism is either a global system, or it cannot be. Of course every other person describes anything not hardcore Capitalist as either Socialist or communist. But then, they're clearly ignorant of what these concepts entail. 'Communist China'. 'Communist Russia'. Socialist Europe'. lulz

The best of all possible systems would be one that utilises the means of production, as they function under Capitalism, but with a view to eliminating those cyclical extremes native to it. Such as booms and depressions are the inevitable product of any system driven by competition, and oriented towards profit. As directed by Capitalism, the 'Roaring Twenties' must infallibly give way to 'The Great Depression'. From champagne soiress to dustbowls. It is the nature of the beast.

Conversely, we see that Communism's great flaw resides in it's unwillingness to acknowledge individuality. That the family of man is no bee hive, characterised by hard-wired autonomous habit. Pretence of some 'collective' is no more than blindness, and beyond Maslow, there is unique expression. Suppression of such as religion is one such manifestation; symptomatic as it is of the aforementioned.

Being that self interest and the necessity of bias acts to counter any transition, our options reside only in perpetual status as wilful victims.

It's not that we are doomed, but that we prefer the devil we know. And, as always, we inherit the leader we deserve.

So burn. And do not complain. When Christ returns, there won't be a single one of us judged worthy.

[xsexymasterix]

The best of all possible systems would be one that utilises the means of production, as they function under Capitalism, but with a view to eliminating those cyclical extremes native to it. Such as booms and depressions are the inevitable product of any system driven by competition, and oriented towards profit.

I knew you were a closet National Socialist!

[HagsPusia]

I knew you were a closet National Socialist!

Hahahahaha!!!!

I take no sides, my friend.

[vioppyskype]

COMMUNISM IS SLAVERY.

[smokeberly]

BOOMS & BUSTS ARE AS OFTEN POLICY-DRIVEN AS OTHERWISE.



AN INTELLIGENT PERSON IS LITTLE TROUBLED BY EITHER.

[RogHammon]

POLICY-DRIVEN ECONOMIC UPHEAVALS ARE THE WORST...


BECAUSE THEY ARE DESIGNED BY MALIGNANT

AGENTS... AND OFTEN MAINTAINED BY THEM.


SUCH IS THE PRESENT CASE IN MOST OF THE WEST.

[steerryGritly]

FIRE THIS ROTTEN CONGRESS.

[russmodel]

POLICY-DRIVEN ECONOMIC UPHEAVALS ARE THE WORST...


BECAUSE THEY ARE DESIGNED BY MALIGNANT

AGENTS... AND OFTEN MAINTAINED BY THEM.


SUCH IS THE PRESENT CASE IN MOST OF THE WEST.

If driven and maintained they are, then they are both reflective of, and complicit in, such extremity. The same policies could find no purchase in any system foreign to the one they arise within.

Policy is offshoot, not ideology. If not, then the orientation of any economy is decided not by means and resources, but by bureaucracy.

Policy is justification after the fact.

[TeNuaTe]

Policy alone could have no bearing on technological advance, for example.

Policy could not have replaced feudalism with Capitalism. Nor could it have freed the slave, in favour of an agricultural and industrial revolution.

[ovH9wfSJ]

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POLICY APPLIED IS GOVERNMENT POWER....



GOVERNMENT MEDDLING CAN AND DOES WRECK ECONOMIES.

[denSmumbSes]

POLICY IS REPLACING FREE ENTERPRISE WITH

SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM IN THE WEST.


IN THE ORIENT, GOVERNMENT POLICY IS REPLACING


SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM WITH FREE ENTERPRISE

ACROSS VAST TERRITORIES.




THE RESULTS ARE APPROXIMATELY WHAT ANY

SENSIBLE PERSON WOULD EXPECT.