[ziIReIGS]

For the politicians thats true.

I guess we have to make a ruling about who is actually "conservative" versus who just calls themselves "conservative" for political credit. It could get messy, no doubt. I'll concede the point.

[mpxricyNimb]

If you don't believe in borders, if you don't believe in societal norms or restrictions of any type, excepting for force and fraud.. It really encourages the lowest common denominator to make life difficult for the majority and drag their standards down.

[Trissinas]

I guess we have to make a ruling about who is actually "conservative" versus who just calls themselves "conservative" for political credit. It could get messy, no doubt. I'll concede the point.

If a true conservative, paleo or fiscal conservative, actually followed what they believe in, voted accordingly, I would have no problems with it. Hell, I would be ecstatic.
Even if a third party did get in, I don't think much would change. The machine is broken, changing the bearings isn't going to help much.

[GECEDEANY]

I think libertarianism is a great idea that has practical problems.. And it needs to be tempered...

The constitution, as written, would accommodate most libertarian leanings and permit states and localities to temper them to suit.

I think that's the best societal outcome you're going to get from mere men..

[AnimeThat]

If you don't believe in borders, if you don't believe in societal norms or restrictions of any type, excepting for force and fraud.. It really encourages the lowest common denominator to make life difficult for the majority and drag their standards down.

I firmly believe in borders and some restrictions. Not anarchy or unfettered capitalism. This is part of the reason I am not a big L.

[casinobonbiner]

You talk to them much? A real, for real, true blue, big L libertarian diesn't really believe in any concept except force and fraud.

This sounds simple and clean, but it renders an experiment like ours unworkable..

You mean the little "l" libertarians? The big "L" Libertarians from the party seem to only care about drug legalization and have utterly corrupted the roots of that party. They've become a joke. For some libertarians, the border of anarchy is not too far away. I have a friend who has started to say that he is more of an anarchist than a libertarian because he doesn't see a point for government at all. He gets way out there. Hates anything to do with politics and rails on any sort of government force, whether warranted or not. He fucking hates the police and thinks that they do far more harm than good. He really thinks that people could hold it all together without an actual system in place to settle disputes, no matter how loose that system is. It makes for interesting conversations.

[juliannamed]

The constitution, as written, would accommodate most libertarian leanings and permit states and localities to temper them to suit.

It should accommodate everyone. However, modern liberals and neocons don't seem to like the Constitution.

[Tndfpcin]

I firmly believe in borders and some restrictions. Not anarchy or unfettered capitalism. This is part of the reason I am not a big L.

Me too.. I knocked me right out of it.

No borders? No nation..

Unfettered, global capitalism suffers from some of the same problems Libertarianism does, imo.. Ya'll know how I feel about trade, so you can probably guess what I mean by that.

[paydayloanfasters]

If a true conservative, paleo or fiscal conservative, actually followed what they believe in, voted accordingly, I would have no problems with it. Hell, I would be ecstatic.
Even if a third party did get in, I don't think much would change. The machine is broken, changing the bearings isn't going to help much.

In your opinion, would our system be workable if the "right" people were drawn to government service? Say, people who believe in limited government and were actually there to serve the country?

[secondmortgages]

You mean the little "l" libertarians? The big "L" Libertarians from the party seem to only care about drug legalization and have utterly corrupted the roots of that party. They've become a joke. For some libertarians, the border of anarchy is not too far away. I have a friend who has started to say that he is more of an anarchist than a libertarian because he doesn't see a point for government at all. He gets way out there. Hates anything to do with politics and rails on any sort of government force, whether warranted or not. He fucking hates the police and thinks that they do far more harm than good. He really thinks that people could hold it all together without an actual system in place to settle disputes, no matter how loose that system is. It makes for interesting conversations.

Yeah.. See, that's where I get off the boat too.

And the drug thing? You have to accept no controls if you're a libertarian.

It's a default setting. Anyone who says otherwise is obviously something else. They're not a libertarian.

Not that I'm a drug warrior, mind you.. But it's a quick litmus test.

[mirex]

In your opinion, would our system be workable if the "right" people were drawn to government service? Say, people who believe in limited government and were actually there to serve the country?

Workable yes, perfect no. As humans were are infallible and are prone to corruption, big money, special interests and can be swayed. Very few people seem to be able to resist this.

[Ikhqgvas]

I want a polite, equitable society that is controlled by the citizens thereof..

A country can achieve great things apart from this.. and they have..

But IMO, it's not legitimate. For a government to be legitimate, they must operate on a mandate from the people who fund and live under it.

[yxn2dC07]

The politicians seem to forget the government works for the people, not the other way around.

[RedImmik]

The Constitution would accomplish most of this.

We have it, we should just use it.. I'd be happy as a clam.

It's all we need, in my opinion.

[LorencoLoricelli]

Workable yes, perfect no. As humans were are infallible and are prone to corruption, big money, special interests and can be swayed. Very few people seem to be able to resist this.

Then the machine ain't broken, we're just putting the wrong fuel in it! Even your car's engine only gets 30% (or less) efficiency. I'd much rather see the government doing a few, Constitutional things well, than everything they are trying to do now. Theoretically, the system can be adjusted from where it is now back to where it should be. That's where all the work comes in.

[Brareevor]

I want a polite, equitable society that is controlled by the citizens thereof..

A country can achieve great things apart from this.. and they have..

But IMO, it's not legitimate. For a government to be legitimate, they must operate on a mandate from the people who fund and live under it.

We have to start by leaving people to deal with the consequences of their actions. The biggest hurdle to overcome is getting people off of the notion that government can solve problems without creating more.

[SeelaypeKet]

THE BENIGHTED POOR SEND THEIR VOTES TO DC TO SUBVERT THE CONSTITUTION.









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[MpNelQTU]

FIRE THIS BOUGHT CONGRESS.


THEY BEND OVER FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO FUCK


ME OVER..... ANY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP UNDER THE SUN.




I'M AN AMERICAN.... NOT A SPECIAL INTEREST.



I HAVE NO LAWFUL REPRESENTATION.

FUCK 'EM.

[SobiquYo]

ROMNEY.....




IT'S LIKE "SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER".......


ONLY THESE INSANE CLOWNS ARE SERIOUS....


AS SERIOUS AS CLOWNS CAN BE.

[Npbfamgt]

THE STAFF ARE ROBBING THE TILL TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN

INTERESTS AND THOSE OF THEIR TOADIES.


FIRE THE BASTARDS.


THERE IS NO MORE SYSTEM.


IT'S A FREE-FOR-ALL LOOTING SPREE.