[Heliosprime]

We're not talking about all businesses. That's an important point. We're talking about the gigantic corporations that are able to manipulate the world to their will.

What you're more likely talking about is the network of corruption that is formed by business and government, and what everyone is complaining about is made under the false pretenses that people are smart and know what's in their best interests. Saying that many aren't and therefore government should take care of it is ludicrous. Saying that the market has people's best interests in mind is equally ludicrous.

[leadmoffer]

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GOVERNMENT IS A SOMEWHAT USEFUL AGENT....

BUT A MURDEROUSLY VICIOUS MASTER.

[BigBobdd]

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THE MARKET OFFERS... EVEN CAJOLES...


BUT GOVERNMENT DECREES.

[EtellaObtaite]

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VEGA..... WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?

[soitlyobserty]

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THE MARKET OFFERS... EVEN CAJOLS...


BUT GOVERNMENT DECREES.

Powerful business interests have equally worked against a free market alongside government agencies.

[unlomarma]

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THE MOST INTRACTABLEY AND CONSISTENTLY CORRUPT

AND SELF-SERVING ENTITY ON EARTH IS GOVERNMENT.


THAT'S BEEN A FACT OF LIFE FOR SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS...


WITH BUT RARE EXCEPTION.

THE GENIUS OF AMERICA AS FOUNDED WAS THE


LEGALLY RESTRICTED AND LIMITED SCOPE OF GOVERNEMNT...

ESPECIALLY AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

What about the legally restricted size, power, and lifespan of corporations? That was part of the founding as well. Or are we going to conveniently forget that, again?

[JMLot]

Really? I'm sure a family owned, "Made in the USA" business in America that was put out of business by a transnational corp using communist labor would love a tariff...

That's not aimed at the mom and pop one though......

And it won't be. Until such time as a HUGE corp is harmed.......the government will ignore the tariffs. Sadly.

Tariffs are much needed, I agree.

That's the one 'regulation', that can help business.

[BokerokyBan]

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VEGA..... WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?

What was it. It sounds strangely familiar, but I can't remember.

[spklnraz]

What about the legally restricted size, power, and lifespan of corporations? That was part of the founding as well. Or are we going to conveniently forget that, again?

Size restrictions on a corp?

For what reason?

And power? Without the coercion of the government, no corp has 'power'.

[Gulauur]

That's not aimed at the mom and pop one though......

And it won't be. Until such time as a HUGE corp is harmed.......the government will ignore the tariffs. Sadly.

Tariffs are much needed, I agree.

That's the one 'regulation', that can help business.

It wouldn't matter in the long run. Chi-com will still steal everybody's shit.

[suingincentix]

Walmart is a hellhole.

Walmart forces it's suppliers to move their manufacturing bases to China, in order to meet Walmart's strict price demands and keep up with competitors.

It's a race to the bottom. The feedback loop is broken. Trickle down stops trickling. The whole game falls apart.

I am tired of hearing about cheap products making us all wealthier, when 88 million people don't have jobs, and wages have been stagnant or dropping for years.

It doesn't fucking work.

[Arr34ston]

What you're more likely talking about is the network of corruption that is formed by business and government, and what everyone is complaining about is made under the false pretenses that people are smart and know what's in their best interests. Saying that many aren't and therefore government should take care of it is ludicrous. Saying that the market has people's best interests in mind is equally ludicrous.

Agreed.

[Scfdglkn]

Walmart is a hellhole.

Walmart forces it's suppliers to move their manufacturing bases to China, in order to meet Walmart's strict price demands and keep up with competitors.

It's a race to the bottom. The feedback loop is broken. Trickle down stops trickling. The whole game falls apart.

I am tired of hearing about cheap products making us all wealthier, when 88 million people don't have jobs, and wages have been stagnant or dropping for years.

It doesn't fucking work.

I agree. Globalism renders "trickle down" mostly bullshit.

[77chawzence]

Size restrictions on a corp?

For what reason?

And power? Without the coercion of the government, no corp has 'power'.

Originally, corporation status was granted by state charter for a limited time, to achieve a specific goal. And then disbanded. It was a granted monopoly for projects too risky to invite capital investment on the free market.

Corporations and monopolies go hand in hand. They always have.

[gWhya5ct]

We're not talking about all businesses. That's an important point. We're talking about the gigantic corporations that are able to manipulate the world to their will.

Good gawd Jeshu....thats just more liberal tripe....

[Qnnoshxj]

Walmart is a hellhole.

Walmart forces it's suppliers to move their manufacturing bases to China, in order to meet Walmart's strict price demands and keep up with competitors.

It's a race to the bottom. The feedback loop is broken. Trickle down stops trickling. The whole game falls apart.

I am tired of hearing about cheap products making us all wealthier, when 88 million people don't have jobs, and wages have been stagnant or dropping for years.

It doesn't fucking work.

Again, A tariff on items coming IN, would solve that. Quickly.

I've never heard that cheap products make us wealthier....Normally, (IMO), cheap products are a waste.

Walmart can't really 'force' anyone to move to China. If you're talking about price demands.....then I'd look more at unions and state/federal regulations driving up costs here in the US.

On the other hand...a Tariff isn't really fair, if your going to force companies here, to employ workers who are worthless, and force the company to pay them union scales.......

[BarBoss]

What if there is a technology that could be invented, that would improve our lives dramatically, but wouldn't necessarily be profitable, or worth the risk?

This is where government could actually be effective, not by picking winners and losers, but simply by allocating an obscene amount of prize money for certain things.

Like a cure for cancer, or vehicles that run on renewable energy, or spaceships that can carry people to Mars, etc and etc...

Make the prize obscene, like $10 billion or something, but then have the stipulation that there be no patent, that the info be owned by all, so that businessmen could then find the most efficient form of delivery of that product. Or, if it's something you could do yourself, everybody could do it for themselves.

there is already something like that....its called "socialism".....

[hieklyintinee]

Originally, corporation status was granted by state charter for a limited time, to achieve a specific goal. And then disbanded. It was a granted monopoly for projects too risky to invite capital investment on the free market.

Corporations and monopolies go hand in hand. They always have.

No shit? I've never heard that.

I don't doubt ya. It's just new info to me.

A monopoly happens when either 1) someone under sales everyone else......or 2) the government picks and chooses favorites, also called cronies.

[Poll Pitt]

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GOVERNMENT IS THE AGENCY BY WHICH INSURANCE

COMPANIES (FOR INSTANCE) COMPELL ME TO PAY

CASH TRIBUTE TO THEM IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE PUBLIC

RIGHT OF WAY.



GOVERNMENT IS THE AGENCY THROUGH WHICH

SUNDRY INTERESTS, INCLUDING DEADBEATS AND


DERELICTS, COMPELL ME TO MEET THEIR PERSONAL EXPENSES.




I CHOOSE NOT TO DO BUSINESS WITH MOST CORPORATIONS...



BUT GOVERNMENT FORCES ME TO RENDER PAYMENT TO SEVERAL OF

THEM.... ENTIRELY AGAINST MY WILL.


ABSENT GOVERNMENT COLLUSION, NO CORPORATION HAS

ANY POWER TO COMPELL ME TO DO ANYTHING.

[GlictStiply]

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