[qCGfQR9T]

Not as though we were left with a plethora of options. Half measures don't address extremity.

Any indignation after the fact is merely luxury. And perhaps more than a little dishonest, in light of the far greater indignities we'd have suffered had we lost.

I don't condemn the actions. I see them as a necessary step to destroying the manufacturing ability of the German/Japanese populations to stop their ability to continue the war, and a hell of a psychological weapon. Theoretically, it's no different than walking up and shooting each one of those civilians in the head. In reality, the bombing raids were done at great danger when the war was still in the balance, not when we already had our boots on their throats. It's a difference in timing that makes it acceptable.

[drgshmcm]

I don't condemn the actions. I see them as a necessary step to destroying the manufacturing ability of the German/Japanese populations to stop their ability to continue the war, and a hell of a psychological weapon. Theoretically, it's no different than walking up and shooting each one of those civilians in the head. In reality, the bombing raids were done at great danger when the war was still in the balance, not when we already had our boots on their throats. It's a difference in timing that makes it acceptable.

Whatever it took. They were necessary, that much is certain. That fucker had to be stopped, and everyone recognised that (if belatedly). It does not rest easy with the conscience, but then neither does surrender in the face of the alternative. The man was demonic. He could not be reasoned with.

[Emedgella]

Whatever it took. They were necessary, that much is certain. That fucker had to be stopped, and everyone recognised that (if belatedly). It does not rest easy with the conscience, but then neither does surrender in the face of the alternative. The man was demonic. He could not be reasoned with.

The last time we'll ever see "total war."

[anenselog]

The last time we'll ever see "total war."

Unless we see it for about 15 minutes.

[urbalatte]

Unless we see it for about 15 minutes.

That's lazy war. Though, the results would be worse than total war, and would take a hell of a lot less time to get there.

[FredderiK]

If you're going to use the word torture...then no discussion can be had until it's definition is agreed upon. Which it isn't. /thread.

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[KJnbceja]

That's lazy war. Though, the results would be worse than total war, and would take a hell of a lot less time to get there.

Goodnight Vienna!

[Hsmrcahr]

1)

Christianity is moot; morality being suspended with the onset of hostilities.

Ah...

So morality matters only until it's actually put to the test, is that it?

Don't lie, cheat, steal, murder, or rape, kids. Until you need to, that is.

[bloriMal]

We don't torture.

I certainly hope you're correct.

[altosburg]

I certainly hope you're correct.

Then rest assured, my friend. I am always correct. Always.

[kuzbaslachek]

Then rest assured, my friend. I am always correct. Always.

Even when you're wrong, eh?

[Dildos]

Even when you're wrong, eh?

I haven't been wrong since the last time I was wrong.

[blogwado]

Ah...

So morality matters only until it's actually put to the test, is that it?

Don't lie, cheat, steal, murder, or rape, kids. Until you need to, that is.

That wasn't my point. Unless murder becomes a moral act. I recognise necessity and self defence, but let's not attempt to wrap it up in a pretty pink bow.

[Auzuigcx]

Ah...

So morality matters only until it's actually put to the test, is that it?

Don't lie, cheat, steal, murder, or rape, kids. Until you need to, that is.

Everybody wants to be Lawful Good, but it's so much easier to be Chaotic Good. The shift to Neutral isn't far behind, unless you're made of stern stuff.

[imporrilk]

That wasn't my point. Unless murder becomes a moral act. I recognise necessity and self defence, but let's not attempt to wrap it up in a pretty pink bow.

If your morality is suspended at the onset of hostilities, you never had any morals to begin with.

[FLOMOUSLY]

If your morality is suspended at the onset of hostilities, you never had any morals to begin with.

Necessity begets it's own prerogatives.

Needs of the many, dude. Or how do you repel an invasion force with goodwill and charity?

[BostonDoctorTTT]

Everybody wants to be Lawful Good, but it's so much easier to be Chaotic Good. The shift to Neutral isn't far behind, unless you're made of stern stuff.

Even chaotic good is good, though. There are still lines that aren't crossed, just not so many...

[freevideom]

Necessity begets it's own prerogatives.

Needs of the many, dude. Or how do you repel an invasion force with goodwill and charity?

Where do you come up with these false choices?

The opposite of torture isn't appeasement.

The opposite of offensive preemptive warfare isn't a weak defense.

You're completely out of line. You've been engaging in intellectually fraudulent behavior on this subject.

[9uWzBx4l]

Necessity begets it's own prerogatives.

Needs of the many, dude.

Ok. Thought experiment. You're given the ultimatum that you must rape a baby, murder her, and eat her, or else a nuclear device will be detonated in a densely populated city.

What do you choose?

[xgnuwdd]

Where do you come up with these false choices?

The opposite of torture isn't appeasement.

The opposite of offensive preemptive warfare isn't a weak defense.

You're completely out of line. You've been engaging in intellectually fraudulent behavior on this subject.

Not at all. Merely open minded. And I'm aware of the larger picture. How that could possibly constitute fraud is a matter best known to yourself.

What's so 'false' about a choice between surrender and resistance?

And your opposites would seem to suggest themselves, if followed to conclusion. Context, context, context!