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**Ehlgamxf** · 03-01-2012, 03:56 AM

I don't want to oppress them.. I do want a bit more competition and lower capital requirements to join their club.

It boggles the mind to see a shitbag company like GE peddling "news" that benefits them financially.. Without so much as blinking an eye.

It's disgusting to witness such a conflict of interest.

I'd expect that, at this point, the only way to rein them in would be to boycott them. As a tool of the state, they'll be sanctioned, whatever their outrages.

They really are fucking insects. Parasites. Fit only to grovel.

**AnriXuinriZ** · 03-01-2012, 03:59 AM

I believe that Wrath hit on something the other day, about the next phase of capitalism. I have been thinking about this idea since seeing that post, trying to formulate an argument.

I don't yet have the pieces together enough to make a statement, but there is a kernel of something there that is nagging at me like an old wound...

Same.

It's a feeling one gets in the gut. I can't verbalise it as yet.

**pprropeciaaa** · 03-01-2012, 04:01 AM

It's visceral...

I'm convinced you're onto something.

**grosqueneen** · 03-01-2012, 04:01 AM

They really are fucking insects. Parasites. Fit only to grovel.

True..

We're trapped in a feedback loop where capital formation = more consolidation, which = more political power, which = more capital formation... Which leads to even more consolidation.. and more power.. Etc.

It's now to the point where they can create news on the fly.. Regardless of anything.

Foreigners must be very confused by this.. and think we take this seriously. Because, OMG! NEWS!

In reality it's just cheap kabuki... but it has a veneer of legitimacy, especially to those who are unfamiliar with the issues..

**Anteneprorid** · 03-01-2012, 04:04 AM

It's visceral...

I'm convinced you're onto something.

Could be. There's certainly a trend that's catching on. If trend is the right word.

**perpelverw** · 03-01-2012, 04:09 AM

True..

We're trapped in a feedback loop where capital formation = more consolidation, which = more political power, which = more capital formation... Which leads to even more consolidation.. and more power.. Etc.

It's now to the point where they can create news on the fly.. Regardless of anything.

Foreigners must be very confused by this.. and think we take this seriously. Because, OMG! NEWS!

In reality it's just cheap kabuki... but it has a veneer of legitimacy, especially to those who are unfamiliar with the issues..

I agree. And it's those ignorant masses that serve as these bastards' target audience. With no ability or background information to compare against, they're unwitting victims.

No, I stand by my statement. They need to be brought to heel. They're the very embodiment of those forces that seek to undermine a citizenry's rights. And they do so with soft power, so it's insidious. The average guy doesn't stand a chance. Between a hostile government and a media construct determined to subvert him, he'll fall. They appeal to our finer instincts, whilst using them against us.

**hotelhyatt** · 03-01-2012, 04:11 AM

http://youtu.be/7MtyFsMFeLw
http://youtu.be/xW42PzDyPmA
http://youtu.be/7MtyFsMFeLw
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BROADCAST MEDIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIGHLY
REGULATED... FCC, "DECENCY" COPS, ETC...

THEN F. ROOSEVLET REALLY TOOK IT OVER.

WE USED TO HAVE A STRONG PRINT MEDIA WHERE

NEWS AND OPINION FROM MANY SOURCES WAS PRESENTED

WITH ALL MANNER OF INFLEXION.

THAT'S ALL PRETTY WELL GONE... AND ONE NEWPAPER

IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS ANY OTHER....
GELDED AND HOMOGENIZED.... 90% ADVERTS

AND 10% DENATURED PAP.

WHO READS THEM ANYWAY?

AND HOW MANY OF THOSE READERS ARE EQUIPPED

TO ASSESS WHAT LITTLE NEWS IS PRESENTED... OR

EVEN TO DISCERN FACTUAL NEWS FROM OPINION AND

SPECULATION.... AND FLAT-OUT BULLSHIT?

**fygESytT** · 03-01-2012, 04:12 AM

I agree. And it's those ignorant masses that serve as these bastards' target audience. With no ability or background information to compare against, they're unwitting victims. Yeah, and they perpetuate it.. I absolutely hate them for being so incurious and stupid.

I turned my TV off over a decade ago because of this bullshit..

**Rchzygnc** · 03-01-2012, 04:14 AM

FOX & FRIENDS SOUNDS LIKE BANANNA SPLITS.

**Enjknsua** · 03-01-2012, 04:14 AM

JIBBER-JABBER, CHITTER-CHATTER... OOH! A CELEB!!!

**Piemonedmow** · 03-01-2012, 04:19 AM

Yeah, and they perpetuate it.. I absolutely hate them for being so incurious and stupid.

I turned my TV off probably over a decade ago over this bullshit..

I read the papers. They're still somewhat honest. Or at least less dishonest.

Public apathy and disinterest is universal. The only way to get them to move is to starve them. Governments know this. Which means they'll be fed, no matter the cost. A full stomach is a surety against questions.

Like yourself, I can no listen to the nauseating shit they're putting putting out now. We're lucky here, in that the BBC is still, for the most part, funded by public subscriptions (via TV licensing). And even they've almost gone rogue. Fuck the engorged media monster.

**yqpY4iw6** · 03-01-2012, 04:19 AM

As an example, take 9/11...

Did the 9/11 Commission put the issue to rest? No! It's fraught with unexplained phenomena, disallowed testimony, etc...

The media put it to rest. They said it was all figured out, so the public decided it was all figured out.

Now, I don't know what the truth of 9/11 is, but it has never been investigated and explained completely to my satisfaction, and I believe a truly free media would have noticed and reported that as such...

**cauddyVab** · 03-01-2012, 04:21 AM

I read the papers. They're still somewhat honest. Or at least less dishonest.

Public apathy and disinterest is universal. The only way to get them to move is to starve them. Governments know this. Which means they'll be fed, no matter the cost. A full stomach is a surety against questions.

Like yourself, I can no listen to the nauseating shit they're putting putting out now. We're lucky here, in that the BBC is still, for the most part, funded by public subscriptions (via TV licensing). And even they've almost gone rogue. Fuck the engorged media monster.

For well over a decade, the best source of American news has been the Guardian. That is a very sad thing, that I have to rely on foreigners to bring me anything close to resembling unfiltered American news.

**IntinyBut** · 03-01-2012, 04:22 AM

I read the papers. They're still somewhat honest. Or at least less dishonest.

Public apathy and disinterest is universal. The only way to get them to move is to starve them. Governments know this. Which means they'll be fed, no matter the cost. A full stomach is a surety against questions.

Like yourself, I can no listen to the nauseating shit they're putting putting out now. We're lucky here, in that the BBC is still, for the most part, funded by public subscriptions (via TV licensing). And even they've almost gone rogue. Fuck the engorged media monster.

The Brit media amazes me.. They cover US issues than our domestic media.. With probably half the resources, and an ocean between their headquarters and the issues at hand!

**corsar-caribean** · 03-01-2012, 04:22 AM

As an example, take 9/11...

Did the 9/11 Commission put the issue to rest? No! It's fraught with unexplained phenomena, disallowed testimony, etc...

The media put it to rest. They said it was all figured out, so the public decided it was all figured out.

Now, I don't know what the truth of 9/11 is, but it has never been investigated and explained completely to my satisfaction, and I believe a truly free media would have noticed and reported that as such...

I'll never believe it was a conspiracy. But I think they don't want people looking into it, for fear of deciding that the WOT isn't warranted.

**Hammaduersnes** · 03-01-2012, 04:24 AM

THE BEST OF BROADCAST MEDIA NEWS WAS DERIVED FROM

THE EXISTING PRINT MEDIA SHOPS... AS PRINT MEDIA

HOMOGENIZES AND SHRINKS, THERE IS NO LONGER A SOURCE

OF NEWSMEN/ JOURNALISTS.... ONLY SHORT SUBJECT PRESENTERS.

A MOTORMOUTH AND PERKY TITS WILL GET YOU A GOOD GIG

IN TV NEWS.

A NOSE FOR NEWS AND A GOOD ANALYTICAL MIND WILL NOT.

**OGOGOogoloshennya** · 03-01-2012, 04:24 AM

I'll never believe it was a conspiracy. But I think they don't want people looking into it, for fear of deciding that the WOT isn't warranted.

The fate of WTC 7 is very strange.. As is their reaction.

And the immediate attempt to launch on Saddam over it.. Alluding to Iraqi involvement.

I wouldn't have questioned it at all.. Except for that one building, and our completely wild reaction.

**JJoon077** · 03-01-2012, 04:25 AM

OUR GOVERNMENT IS A COMPULSIVE LIAR.

**TNgqZhLR** · 03-01-2012, 04:26 AM

The Brit media amazes me.. They cover US issues than our domestic media.. With probably half the resources, and an ocean between their headquarters and the issues at hand!

You've noticed, too...

**HondasMenFox** · 03-01-2012, 04:27 AM

I DON'T HEAR MUCH CHATTER ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT

IS ACTUALLY DOING... AND PROPOSING TO DO.

I HEAR A LOT OF TRIVIAL CHATTER ABOUT POLITICAL PARTIES

AND THEIR ENDLESS SPATS.

03-01-2012, 03:56 AM	#21
Ehlgamxf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	I don't want to oppress them.. I do want a bit more competition and lower capital requirements to join their club. It boggles the mind to see a shitbag company like GE peddling "news" that benefits them financially.. Without so much as blinking an eye. It's disgusting to witness such a conflict of interest. I'd expect that, at this point, the only way to rein them in would be to boycott them. As a tool of the state, they'll be sanctioned, whatever their outrages. They really are fucking insects. Parasites. Fit only to grovel. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 03:59 AM	#22
AnriXuinriZ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	I believe that Wrath hit on something the other day, about the next phase of capitalism. I have been thinking about this idea since seeing that post, trying to formulate an argument. I don't yet have the pieces together enough to make a statement, but there is a kernel of something there that is nagging at me like an old wound... Same. It's a feeling one gets in the gut. I can't verbalise it as yet. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:01 AM	#23
pprropeciaaa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	It's visceral... I'm convinced you're onto something. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:01 AM	#24
grosqueneen Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	They really are fucking insects. Parasites. Fit only to grovel. True.. We're trapped in a feedback loop where capital formation = more consolidation, which = more political power, which = more capital formation... Which leads to even more consolidation.. and more power.. Etc. It's now to the point where they can create news on the fly.. Regardless of anything. Foreigners must be very confused by this.. and think we take this seriously. Because, OMG! NEWS! In reality it's just cheap kabuki... but it has a veneer of legitimacy, especially to those who are unfamiliar with the issues.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:04 AM	#25
Anteneprorid Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	It's visceral... I'm convinced you're onto something. Could be. There's certainly a trend that's catching on. If trend is the right word. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:09 AM	#26
perpelverw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	True.. We're trapped in a feedback loop where capital formation = more consolidation, which = more political power, which = more capital formation... Which leads to even more consolidation.. and more power.. Etc. It's now to the point where they can create news on the fly.. Regardless of anything. Foreigners must be very confused by this.. and think we take this seriously. Because, OMG! NEWS! In reality it's just cheap kabuki... but it has a veneer of legitimacy, especially to those who are unfamiliar with the issues.. I agree. And it's those ignorant masses that serve as these bastards' target audience. With no ability or background information to compare against, they're unwitting victims. No, I stand by my statement. They need to be brought to heel. They're the very embodiment of those forces that seek to undermine a citizenry's rights. And they do so with soft power, so it's insidious. The average guy doesn't stand a chance. Between a hostile government and a media construct determined to subvert him, he'll fall. They appeal to our finer instincts, whilst using them against us. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:11 AM	#27
hotelhyatt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 484 Senior Member	http://youtu.be/7MtyFsMFeLw http://youtu.be/xW42PzDyPmA http://youtu.be/7MtyFsMFeLw ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BROADCAST MEDIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIGHLY REGULATED... FCC, "DECENCY" COPS, ETC... THEN F. ROOSEVLET REALLY TOOK IT OVER. WE USED TO HAVE A STRONG PRINT MEDIA WHERE NEWS AND OPINION FROM MANY SOURCES WAS PRESENTED WITH ALL MANNER OF INFLEXION. THAT'S ALL PRETTY WELL GONE... AND ONE NEWPAPER IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS ANY OTHER.... GELDED AND HOMOGENIZED.... 90% ADVERTS AND 10% DENATURED PAP. WHO READS THEM ANYWAY? AND HOW MANY OF THOSE READERS ARE EQUIPPED TO ASSESS WHAT LITTLE NEWS IS PRESENTED... OR EVEN TO DISCERN FACTUAL NEWS FROM OPINION AND SPECULATION.... AND FLAT-OUT BULLSHIT? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:12 AM	#28
fygESytT Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	I agree. And it's those ignorant masses that serve as these bastards' target audience. With no ability or background information to compare against, they're unwitting victims. Yeah, and they perpetuate it.. I absolutely hate them for being so incurious and stupid. I turned my TV off over a decade ago because of this bullshit.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:14 AM	#29
Rchzygnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	FOX & FRIENDS SOUNDS LIKE BANANNA SPLITS. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:14 AM	#30
Enjknsua Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 570 Senior Member	JIBBER-JABBER, CHITTER-CHATTER... OOH! A CELEB!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:19 AM	#31
Piemonedmow Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 406 Senior Member	Yeah, and they perpetuate it.. I absolutely hate them for being so incurious and stupid. I turned my TV off probably over a decade ago over this bullshit.. I read the papers. They're still somewhat honest. Or at least less dishonest. Public apathy and disinterest is universal. The only way to get them to move is to starve them. Governments know this. Which means they'll be fed, no matter the cost. A full stomach is a surety against questions. Like yourself, I can no listen to the nauseating shit they're putting putting out now. We're lucky here, in that the BBC is still, for the most part, funded by public subscriptions (via TV licensing). And even they've almost gone rogue. Fuck the engorged media monster. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:19 AM	#32
yqpY4iw6 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 360 Senior Member	As an example, take 9/11... Did the 9/11 Commission put the issue to rest? No! It's fraught with unexplained phenomena, disallowed testimony, etc... The media put it to rest. They said it was all figured out, so the public decided it was all figured out. Now, I don't know what the truth of 9/11 is, but it has never been investigated and explained completely to my satisfaction, and I believe a truly free media would have noticed and reported that as such... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:21 AM	#33
cauddyVab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 602 Senior Member	I read the papers. They're still somewhat honest. Or at least less dishonest. Public apathy and disinterest is universal. The only way to get them to move is to starve them. Governments know this. Which means they'll be fed, no matter the cost. A full stomach is a surety against questions. Like yourself, I can no listen to the nauseating shit they're putting putting out now. We're lucky here, in that the BBC is still, for the most part, funded by public subscriptions (via TV licensing). And even they've almost gone rogue. Fuck the engorged media monster. For well over a decade, the best source of American news has been the Guardian. That is a very sad thing, that I have to rely on foreigners to bring me anything close to resembling unfiltered American news. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:22 AM	#34
IntinyBut Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	I read the papers. They're still somewhat honest. Or at least less dishonest. Public apathy and disinterest is universal. The only way to get them to move is to starve them. Governments know this. Which means they'll be fed, no matter the cost. A full stomach is a surety against questions. Like yourself, I can no listen to the nauseating shit they're putting putting out now. We're lucky here, in that the BBC is still, for the most part, funded by public subscriptions (via TV licensing). And even they've almost gone rogue. Fuck the engorged media monster. The Brit media amazes me.. They cover US issues than our domestic media.. With probably half the resources, and an ocean between their headquarters and the issues at hand! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
	Quote

03-01-2012, 04:22 AM	#35
corsar-caribean Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	As an example, take 9/11... Did the 9/11 Commission put the issue to rest? No! It's fraught with unexplained phenomena, disallowed testimony, etc... The media put it to rest. They said it was all figured out, so the public decided it was all figured out. Now, I don't know what the truth of 9/11 is, but it has never been investigated and explained completely to my satisfaction, and I believe a truly free media would have noticed and reported that as such... I'll never believe it was a conspiracy. But I think they don't want people looking into it, for fear of deciding that the WOT isn't warranted. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:24 AM	#36
Hammaduersnes Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 701 Senior Member	THE BEST OF BROADCAST MEDIA NEWS WAS DERIVED FROM THE EXISTING PRINT MEDIA SHOPS... AS PRINT MEDIA HOMOGENIZES AND SHRINKS, THERE IS NO LONGER A SOURCE OF NEWSMEN/ JOURNALISTS.... ONLY SHORT SUBJECT PRESENTERS. A MOTORMOUTH AND PERKY TITS WILL GET YOU A GOOD GIG IN TV NEWS. A NOSE FOR NEWS AND A GOOD ANALYTICAL MIND WILL NOT. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:24 AM	#37
OGOGOogoloshennya Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	I'll never believe it was a conspiracy. But I think they don't want people looking into it, for fear of deciding that the WOT isn't warranted. The fate of WTC 7 is very strange.. As is their reaction. And the immediate attempt to launch on Saddam over it.. Alluding to Iraqi involvement. I wouldn't have questioned it at all.. Except for that one building, and our completely wild reaction. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:25 AM	#38
JJoon077 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 484 Senior Member	OUR GOVERNMENT IS A COMPULSIVE LIAR. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:26 AM	#39
TNgqZhLR Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 385 Senior Member	The Brit media amazes me.. They cover US issues than our domestic media.. With probably half the resources, and an ocean between their headquarters and the issues at hand! You've noticed, too... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2012, 04:27 AM	#40
HondasMenFox Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 334 Senior Member	I DON'T HEAR MUCH CHATTER ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY DOING... AND PROPOSING TO DO. I HEAR A LOT OF TRIVIAL CHATTER ABOUT POLITICAL PARTIES AND THEIR ENDLESS SPATS. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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