[THOUTHCAW]

My idea "enslaves" fewer than would be now. Actually, it does no such thing.. You just want a generation to pay for their parents and get nothing in return for it whatsoever.

They are liable to side with the democrats.. Like I said, there's no support for this.

None.

[hujdrftgkas]

First, THEY ARE FUCKING STUPID. Let's just get that out of the way.. They're FUCKING STUPID. We've known it since the 70's.. We've known it all along. Now the day of reckoning is at hand, they are wrong, the money is not there, they are FUCKING STUPID.

Two.. They don't care! There's massive support for these programs.. Even with Republicans..

In fact, the Independents are more reasonable about it than the Republican voters are..

So, what happens when they hear GOP politicians talk about cutting them? They say nothing will change.. But, we hear a lot of GOP talking heads wanting them removed.. Or bankrupted.

I say it wouldn't take a lot of pushing to scare these people off... And that it will only get worse with time.

Very well, they are stupid. Fine, now that IS out of the way.
But I look at this as a practical matter, not a philisophical one. That means we need votes. Getting votes requires sucking ass, unfortunately. That's why I say let the old timers get what they want but don't continue to promise it to everyone else.
If we ended SS for everyone under 20 today, we would need the program to last about 60 years. I don't know how much that would cost. "Enslaving" the younger generations with it is no different than enslaving them with farm subsidies and foreign aid. The money could come from ending or diminishing such programs.

[Indian Butt Magic]

Actually, it does no such thing.. You just want a generation to pay for their parents and get nothing in return for it whatsoever.

They are liable to side with the democrats.. Like I said, there's no support for this.

None.

We do that now!!! How many federal programs are YOU entitled to??? I can't name one for myself and yet I pay for them. I am enslaved by them.
I don't see any such disagreement from younger generations for ending a giant negative on the economy.

[emuffette]

I'm not worried about them.. I'm worried about this gigantic bubble of old people who are going to vote their benefits, right, wrong, unfunded or indifferent..

I wondering if the GOP will push them too hard, or even scare them, into voting for "their" benefits/free shit paid for by someone else..

The democrats are more popular than they should be.. Not even the Republicans want SS and Medicare cut..

The support just isn't there. They don't care.. They just want it.

We need to be worried about the ignorant people, because they are allowed to vote.

I have not heard anyone from either party say that they want to cut benefits for those already on SS and medicare or those within a few years of being on them. A gradual transition to some form of sef funded retirement system is they only idea that could really work.

The problem will always be the people who live for today only and will not put anything away for their later years. Rightly or wrongly, our society will never tell them to go live under a bridge and starve, even though their situation is of their own making.

[jeaccatty]

Very well, they are stupid. Fine, now that IS out of the way.
But I look at this as a practical matter, not a philisophical one. That means we need votes. Getting votes requires sucking ass, unfortunately. That's why I say let the old timers get what they want but don't continue to promise it to everyone else.
If we ended SS for everyone under 20 today, we would need the program to last about 60 years. I don't know how much that would cost. "Enslaving" the younger generations with it is no different than enslaving them with farm subsidies and foreign aid. The money could come from ending or diminishing such programs.

I am aware of this.. Personally, I'd offer a 0%, lifetime cap gains opt out.. But that's just policy.

But, no matter what you do, the problem is the boomers themselves.

They're a huge bloc, and very powerful.. The question is: Once they're retired and out of the workforce for good.. and they're just a generation of subsidized consumers with too much time on their hands..

What happens when they hear talk of reforming entitlements from the GOP?

The Presidential front runners all claim they won't touch it.. But we KNOW from looking at the numbers that something is going to have to change..

The democrats don't care, of course.. Which gives them an advantage politically, if not economically..

There is no support for messing with either of these programs.. AT ALL..

So, what happens when the GOP is faced with things like, say.. The military and interventionism VS entitlement spending? And how will the Boomers respond?

[MontyP@thon]

Actually, it does no such thing.. You just want a generation to pay for their parents and get nothing in return for it whatsoever. They are liable to side with the democrats.. Like I said, there's no support for this.

None.

why do you assume that SS and medicare are doomed to bankruptsy? With some fairly minor changes they can be saved for both the old and the young.

SS---make SS taxes applicable to all income not just the first 110K---SS is viable, fixed

Medicare---eliminate the fraud and waste, limit drug patents to 1 year, stop giving free care to illegals---medicare fixed for many years.

[Natashasuw]

[posimoka]

[soydaykam]

why do you assume that SS and medicare are doomed to bankruptsy? With some fairly minor changes they can be saved for both the old and the young.

SS---make SS taxes applicable to all income not just the first 110K---SS is viable, fixed

Medicare---eliminate the fraud and waste, limit drug patents to 1 year, stop giving free care to illegals---medicare fixed for many years.

The SS change would certainly help.. Even though there will be resistance to it... Because "THEY PAID!!! OMG!!! THEY PAID!!!! THEY'RE OWED!!!"

Etc..

Medical costs keep rising with no end in sight, and this is a boom that goes on for decades and decades..

[wrbwrbwrb]

Nobody cares about Global warming. lol

[StizePypemype]

Nobody cares about Global warming. lol

Amazing how quickly that dried up, isn't it?


lol..

[scewDeasp]

So, what happens when the GOP is faced with things like, say.. The military and interventionism VS entitlement spending? And how will the Boomers respond?

If they have to give up one, then either way, Paul supporters win. No?

But bear in mind, Boomers are divided along party lines the same as any other slice of America. They won't all go to the Dims. Maybe just enough to get nObama another term, which would suck. But as you say, they are stupid for doing so. Eventually all this stupidity will catch up with us. I just don't want it to end in a destruction of the country. A phased in approach makes so much more sense and I believe, there are enough smart people to agree with that if it is presented properly (by a new Reagan perhaps).

[evennyNiz]

With these costs, the increase in healthcare and our debt and the interest on it.. We're talking about the Boomers VS the rest of Government.. and the military.. and the global "liberating" and everything else..

[DOWNLOADnowADOBEphotoSHOP]

With these costs, the increase in healthcare and our debt and the interest on it.. We're talking about the Boomers VS the rest of Government.. and the military.. and the global "liberating" and everything else..

Not sure what you mean, is that an indictment against the BB generation?

[draigenia]

If they have to give up one, then either way, Paul supporters win. No?

Will you please stop with the "Ron Paul" stuff?

NO.. Paul supporters don't win.. Nobody wins if the boomers vote for Democrats.. Not Paul supporters, not anybody.. Frankly, even the Democrats won't win long term.

But bear in mind, Boomers are divided along party lines the same as any other slice of America. They won't all go to the Dims. Maybe just enough to get nObama another term, which would suck. But as you say, they are stupid for doing so. Eventually all this stupidity will catch up with us. I just don't want it to end in a destruction of the country. A phased in approach makes so much more sense and I believe, there are enough smart people to agree with that if it is presented properly (by a new Reagan perhaps). I wish I was so sure.. From what I've heard, all the entitlement reform (Or at least the most aggressive reform) talk comes from, and is associated with, the GOP.

[Abaronos]

Not sure what you mean, is that an indictment against the BB generation?

No, it's a question: When push comes to shove, what happens to boomer entitlements and how will they respond?

They're a HUGE bloc, you know..

[jincomplet]

One claw back is already in the works.. A sales tax..

LOL! How transparent is that? They want to get some of the money back that way.

It's aimed right at the boomers..

[jessyhalm]

Will you please stop with the "Ron Paul" stuff?

NO.. Paul supporters don't win.. Nobody wins if the boomers vote for Democrats.. Not Paul supporters, not anybody.. Frankly, even the Democrats won't win long term.

I wasn't denigrating Paul supporters. But you suggested the Boomers would be forced to choose between liberal warfare and entitlements. If either of those goes away it would seem to support Paul's objectives.

[VIDEOHITE]

One claw back is already in the works.. A sales tax..

LOL! How transparent is that? They want to get some of the money back that way.

It's aimed right at the boomers..

Right. But it has it's dangers as well. Maybe if it was limited or capped, but we've seen caps raised plenty of times before.
It also hurts big ticket items like auto sales unless there is a tiered system.

[bredkumanfirst]

I wasn't denigrating Paul supporters. But you suggested the Boomers would be forced to choose between liberal warfare and entitlements. If either of those goes away it would seem to support Paul's objectives.

Well, if the Constitution is your objective.. That won't get you there.

He supports a gradual letdown as you suggested.. Not because it's Constitutional, but because you can just glance at any poll out there and see that it's the political reality..

And he's right.. There's no support. At all.

In fact, the Independents are more reasonable about this than the GOP.. Republican voters want this, period.

Problem: WAY out of whack healthcare costs, massive government fraud, foreign interventionism/gigantic military, huge debt and interest, we're no longer in our golden age, demographic trends VS What the voters (Even GOP voters) want..