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**Wrencytet** · 01-05-2012, 05:24 PM

I see the word "naive" thrown about rather haphazardly. It is troubling, for a number of reasons.

You see, we can not win in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or Iran, for that matter. It is not possible. To think otherwise is naive. We're being humbled by insurgents with nothing but the shirt on their backs and a few primitive weapons, while we spend $20 billion a year on air conditioning. While we have supply lines that stretch thousands and thousands of miles and rely on foreign nations like Russia and Pakistan to allow us access. This is literally bankrupting us, and at the same time shows that our military is not so mighty as we would like to believe.

In the halls of Congress, we continue to grant increasingly dictatorial powers to the Executive branch. Any student of history will know that the Hitlers and the Julius Caesars have often come to power democratically, but were subsequently granted tyrannical power by those very people who were charged with tempering it. It's usually the same story - the only way we can stay safe and prosperous is to give one man the ultimate power to insure it. Defending the Patriot Act and the NDAA is the height of naïveté.

We have a national debt that has surpassed 100% of GDP. And yet we have a Congress that is allowing trillions more in debt to be accrued, while cutting virtually nothing, after running on a platform of balanced budgets and economic sanity. And yet, we have an intransigent Party in control of the House who refuses to make meaningful cuts, and also cannot raise taxes because of naive campaign promises, and some ill-advised oath to Grover Norquist. To think that you can avoid the imminent bankruptcy without cutting, taxing, or a combination thereof, is at least naive. In truth, it is insane.

We have a slate of Presidential candidates who have no plan for dealing with this problem. There is only one economic plan out there that balances the budget. One.

's plan, for instance, would increase the debt by $6.5 trillion through 2021, and doesn't anticipate an actual balanced budget until the middle of the century. That's 40 years from now, folks. The Ryan Plan, the best to come out of Congress, is slightly "better", envisioning a balanced budget by 2040. To think that we can continue to kick this can down the road without severe consequences is very naive.

We have an economy that has failed to create real and lasting employment for well over a decade. Investment in this nation has been centered in financial ponzi schemes, while real capital investment is neglected. Instead, our large corporations engage in capital investment in foreign emerging markets, creating jobs and increased prosperity in those nations overseas. This is trickle-down economics, but it "trickles down" elsewhere. So although we see an increase in GDP, the wealth is being concentrated in fewer and fewer American hands. We have regulatory burdens that need to be rethought, and we have higher taxes than some places, but to believe that cutting taxes and regulations and limiting union power will result in immediate prosperity for the average American is naive as hell. In order to compete with labor in foreign markets that way, we would have to engage in an all-out race to the bottom. I don't think anyone is interested in living in a nation as poverty-riddled as China, India, or even Mexico. This is our market, and we have the right and the responsibility to make it work for all of us.

We have a legal system which has flooded our prisons with non-violent offenders of victimless crimes, while at the same time enriching gangsters both inside and outside our borders. We have turned the southern border and our inner cities into all-out war zones through engaging in this nonsense. And we're not getting anywhere. So now you have a rapist or a sexual predator being released early back into society to make room for some fool who grew the wrong type of plant. To think you are getting anywhere in this war on drugs is just as naive as believing you can defeat the guerrillas in Afghanistan. Cut off one head, and two more grow in it's place, just like the mythical hydra.

We have a monetary system which uses inflation to funnel money from the poor to the rich, through outrageous inflationary measures. Since we divorced ourselves completely from hard money, the earnings and the wealth of the masses have become stagnant at best. We are running out of ways to guard our hard-earned wealth. This is chaos. It is economic suicide. And yet the vast majority of our elected leaders do not wish to rock this boat. To think they are looking out for the best interests of the people in this regard is quite naive.

We have two parties who continue to campaign and be elected based on issues like abortion and gay marriage, etc, while the roof is crashing down upon us. To believe that right now we need to focus on these issues, and push the really big things to the sidelines, is not only naive, it's just plain stupid.

So, you'll have to excuse me, but I take great offense to these claims from half-assed armchair team red Republicans that I am naive. At some point you people will be forced to realize that you've been bamboozled by the same sort of tactics as those on the left. From my perspective, you are simply the flip-side of the same coin. You're arguing over which cliff to fall off. Whichever cliff you choose, to think that the results will be different is quite naive.

**lasadeykar** · 01-05-2012, 05:38 PM

five by five.

**Eunatis** · 01-05-2012, 06:39 PM

OK, folks

wait for it

Only the wonderful Ron Paul can fix all of these problems. Only he can do it.

But, Paul cannot get elected, he even said it himself

So, continue to support Paul and reelect Obama.

**TughEmotteTug** · 01-05-2012, 06:51 PM

OBAMA IS VERY WEAK.

**Hsmrcahr** · 01-05-2012, 07:11 PM

OK, folks
wait for it
Only the wonderful Ron Paul can fix all of these problems. Only he can do it.
But, Paul cannot get elected, he even said it himself
So, continue to support Paul and reelect Obama.

**siklop** · 01-05-2012, 07:21 PM

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**vSzsgifP** · 01-05-2012, 08:01 PM

Audit The Federal Reserve Reveals 16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts

"The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out."

Source: Daily Paul

I remember the old argument for the FED was to prevent the government from printing too much money which would cause runaway inflation. You couldn't trust Congress with the printing of money as required by the Constitution.

**valiumcheepval** · 01-05-2012, 08:06 PM

Ask each candidate how they plan to dismantle the FED which has been secretly raiding the treasury to enrich banksters.

See how each answers.

If the FED has the power to raid the treasury in secret, how much gold do you think is really in Ft. Knox which even our elected Representatives are barred from seeing?
Should there be a public accounting and assay (through the GAO and our Representatives) of the gold reserves in Ft Knox?

**kennyguitar** · 01-05-2012, 10:26 PM

Who's naive?

**Kayakeenemeds** · 01-05-2012, 10:32 PM

Who's naive?

I think the events of the last few days have pretty much identified them..

The outright hysterics over an old man they claim stands no chance whatsoever just sorta says it all.

Conspiracy theories.. Threats.. Sloppy logic. Constitution shitting. Fiscal recklessness. You name it, they'd said it over Ron Paul and this election.

**Qeiafib** · 01-05-2012, 10:36 PM

Blog this Post I blogged your post.

**illiderob** · 01-05-2012, 10:56 PM

Cool. Hadn't thought of that.

**Fainnamoony** · 01-05-2012, 11:01 PM

I see the word "naive" thrown about rather haphazardly. It is troubling, for a number of reasons.

You see, we can not win in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or Iran, for that matter. It is not possible. To think otherwise is naive. We're being humbled by insurgents with nothing but the shirt on their backs and a few primitive weapons, while we spend $20 billion a year on air conditioning. While we have supply lines that stretch thousands and thousands of miles and rely on foreign nations like Russia and Pakistan to allow us access. This is literally bankrupting us, and at the same time shows that our military is not so mighty as we would like to believe.

In the halls of Congress, we continue to grant increasingly dictatorial powers to the Executive branch. Any student of history will know that the Hitlers and the Julius Caesars have often come to power democratically, but were subsequently granted tyrannical power by those very people who were charged with tempering it. It's usually the same story - the only way we can stay safe and prosperous is to give one man the ultimate power to insure it. Defending the Patriot Act and the NDAA is the height of naïveté.

We have a national debt that has surpassed 100% of GDP. And yet we have a Congress that is allowing trillions more in debt to be accrued, while cutting virtually nothing, after running on a platform of balanced budgets and economic sanity. And yet, we have an intransigent Party in control of the House who refuses to make meaningful cuts, and also cannot raise taxes because of naive campaign promises, and some ill-advised oath to Grover Norquist. To think that you can avoid the imminent bankruptcy without cutting, taxing, or a combination thereof, is at least naive. In truth, it is insane.

We have a slate of Presidential candidates who have no plan for dealing with this problem. There is only one economic plan out there that balances the budget. One. 's plan, for instance, would increase the debt by $6.5 trillion through 2021, and doesn't anticipate an actual balanced budget until the middle of the century. That's 40 years from now, folks. The Ryan Plan, the best to come out of Congress, is slightly "better", envisioning a balanced budget by 2040. To think that we can continue to kick this can down the road without severe consequences is very naive.

We have an economy that has failed to create real and lasting employment for well over a decade. Investment in this nation has been centered in financial ponzi schemes, while real capital investment is neglected. Instead, our large corporations engage in capital investment in foreign emerging markets, creating jobs and increased prosperity in those nations overseas. This is trickle-down economics, but it "trickles down" elsewhere. So although we see an increase in GDP, the wealth is being concentrated in fewer and fewer American hands. We have regulatory burdens that need to be rethought, and we have higher taxes than some places, but to believe that cutting taxes and regulations and limiting union power will result in immediate prosperity for the average American is naive as hell. In order to compete with labor in foreign markets that way, we would have to engage in an all-out race to the bottom. I don't think anyone is interested in living in a nation as poverty-riddled as China, India, or even Mexico. This is our market, and we have the right and the responsibility to make it work for all of us.

We have a legal system which has flooded our prisons with non-violent offenders of victimless crimes, while at the same time enriching gangsters both inside and outside our borders. We have turned the southern border and our inner cities into all-out war zones through engaging in this nonsense. And we're not getting anywhere. So now you have a rapist or a sexual predator being released early back into society to make room for some fool who grew the wrong type of plant. To think you are getting anywhere in this war on drugs is just as naive as believing you can defeat the guerrillas in Afghanistan. Cut off one head, and two more grow in it's place, just like the mythical hydra.

We have a monetary system which uses inflation to funnel money from the poor to the rich, through outrageous inflationary measures. Since we divorced ourselves completely from hard money, the earnings and the wealth of the masses have become stagnant at best. We are running out of ways to guard our hard-earned wealth. This is chaos. It is economic suicide. And yet the vast majority of our elected leaders do not wish to rock this boat. To think they are looking out for the best interests of the people in this regard is quite naive.

We have two parties who continue to campaign and be elected based on issues like abortion and gay marriage, etc, while the roof is crashing down upon us. To believe that right now we need to focus on these issues, and push the really big things to the sidelines, is not only naive, it's just plain stupid.

So, you'll have to excuse me, but I take great offense to these claims from half-assed armchair team red Republicans that I am naive. At some point you people will be forced to realize that you've been bamboozled by the same sort of tactics as those on the left. From my perspective, you are simply the flip-side of the same coin. You're arguing over which cliff to fall off. Whichever cliff you choose, to think that the results will be different is quite naive.

Ace post, Jes.

Even to an outsider.

**citicroego** · 01-06-2012, 07:05 AM

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**aparneioninny** · 01-06-2012, 07:51 AM

................

Smiles vacantly for papparazzi.

**OccabsLam** · 01-06-2012, 03:38 PM

REPUBLICANS IN SOLIDARITY FOR A WHITE OBAMA.....

**Shark&Nike** · 01-12-2012, 02:54 AM

............

**SeLvesTr** · 01-12-2012, 02:57 AM

http://youtu.be/v4nDquUmH7s
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

**draigenia** · 01-12-2012, 02:57 AM

I loved you since I knew ya......

I wouldn't talk down to ya.....

**Equackasous** · 01-12-2012, 03:01 AM

I loved you since I knew ya......

I wouldn't talk down to ya.....

You're funny. I dig your wit.

01-05-2012, 05:24 PM	#1
Wrencytet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Who's Naive? I see the word "naive" thrown about rather haphazardly. It is troubling, for a number of reasons. You see, we can not win in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or Iran, for that matter. It is not possible. To think otherwise is naive. We're being humbled by insurgents with nothing but the shirt on their backs and a few primitive weapons, while we spend $20 billion a year on air conditioning. While we have supply lines that stretch thousands and thousands of miles and rely on foreign nations like Russia and Pakistan to allow us access. This is literally bankrupting us, and at the same time shows that our military is not so mighty as we would like to believe. In the halls of Congress, we continue to grant increasingly dictatorial powers to the Executive branch. Any student of history will know that the Hitlers and the Julius Caesars have often come to power democratically, but were subsequently granted tyrannical power by those very people who were charged with tempering it. It's usually the same story - the only way we can stay safe and prosperous is to give one man the ultimate power to insure it. Defending the Patriot Act and the NDAA is the height of naïveté. We have a national debt that has surpassed 100% of GDP. And yet we have a Congress that is allowing trillions more in debt to be accrued, while cutting virtually nothing, after running on a platform of balanced budgets and economic sanity. And yet, we have an intransigent Party in control of the House who refuses to make meaningful cuts, and also cannot raise taxes because of naive campaign promises, and some ill-advised oath to Grover Norquist. To think that you can avoid the imminent bankruptcy without cutting, taxing, or a combination thereof, is at least naive. In truth, it is insane. We have a slate of Presidential candidates who have no plan for dealing with this problem. There is only one economic plan out there that balances the budget. One. 's plan, for instance, would increase the debt by $6.5 trillion through 2021, and doesn't anticipate an actual balanced budget until the middle of the century. That's 40 years from now, folks. The Ryan Plan, the best to come out of Congress, is slightly "better", envisioning a balanced budget by 2040. To think that we can continue to kick this can down the road without severe consequences is very naive. We have an economy that has failed to create real and lasting employment for well over a decade. Investment in this nation has been centered in financial ponzi schemes, while real capital investment is neglected. Instead, our large corporations engage in capital investment in foreign emerging markets, creating jobs and increased prosperity in those nations overseas. This is trickle-down economics, but it "trickles down" elsewhere. So although we see an increase in GDP, the wealth is being concentrated in fewer and fewer American hands. We have regulatory burdens that need to be rethought, and we have higher taxes than some places, but to believe that cutting taxes and regulations and limiting union power will result in immediate prosperity for the average American is naive as hell. In order to compete with labor in foreign markets that way, we would have to engage in an all-out race to the bottom. I don't think anyone is interested in living in a nation as poverty-riddled as China, India, or even Mexico. This is our market, and we have the right and the responsibility to make it work for all of us. We have a legal system which has flooded our prisons with non-violent offenders of victimless crimes, while at the same time enriching gangsters both inside and outside our borders. We have turned the southern border and our inner cities into all-out war zones through engaging in this nonsense. And we're not getting anywhere. So now you have a rapist or a sexual predator being released early back into society to make room for some fool who grew the wrong type of plant. To think you are getting anywhere in this war on drugs is just as naive as believing you can defeat the guerrillas in Afghanistan. Cut off one head, and two more grow in it's place, just like the mythical hydra. We have a monetary system which uses inflation to funnel money from the poor to the rich, through outrageous inflationary measures. Since we divorced ourselves completely from hard money, the earnings and the wealth of the masses have become stagnant at best. We are running out of ways to guard our hard-earned wealth. This is chaos. It is economic suicide. And yet the vast majority of our elected leaders do not wish to rock this boat. To think they are looking out for the best interests of the people in this regard is quite naive. We have two parties who continue to campaign and be elected based on issues like abortion and gay marriage, etc, while the roof is crashing down upon us. To believe that right now we need to focus on these issues, and push the really big things to the sidelines, is not only naive, it's just plain stupid. So, you'll have to excuse me, but I take great offense to these claims from half-assed armchair team red Republicans that I am naive. At some point you people will be forced to realize that you've been bamboozled by the same sort of tactics as those on the left. From my perspective, you are simply the flip-side of the same coin. You're arguing over which cliff to fall off. Whichever cliff you choose, to think that the results will be different is quite naive. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-05-2012, 06:39 PM	#3
Eunatis Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	OK, folks wait for it Only the wonderful Ron Paul can fix all of these problems. Only he can do it. But, Paul cannot get elected, he even said it himself So, continue to support Paul and reelect Obama. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-05-2012, 07:11 PM	#5
Hsmrcahr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	OK, folks wait for it Only the wonderful Ron Paul can fix all of these problems. Only he can do it. But, Paul cannot get elected, he even said it himself So, continue to support Paul and reelect Obama. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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siklop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	U.S. Congress Votes Database - The Washington Post projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/ • Found on: Yahoo! Search, Bing Explore members of the House and Senate and analyze every vote in Congress since 1991. GovTrack.us: Tracking the U.S. Congress www.govtrack.us/ • Found on: Google, Yahoo! Search, Bing Track legislation and votes in the United States Congress. ... Do you know who represents you in Congress? ... Browse House and Senate roll call vote results. ... U.S. Congress Votes Database - The Washington Post projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/ • Found exclusively on: Google The U.S. Congress Votes Database documents every vote and member of the House and Senate since 1991. Data is pulled from several sources, including the ... Congressional Voting Records www.conservativeusa.org/vote-rec.htm • Found on: Google, Yahoo! Search Only by monitoring their voting records can you separate the rhetoric from the reality of their actions; and by taking action you can help ensure their votes will ... Roll Call Votes - THOMAS (Library of Congress) thomas.loc.gov/home/rollcallvotes.html • Found on: Google, Yahoo! Search The Library of Congress THOMAS site provides links to the ... U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Congressional Records ... http://www.senate.gov/…ections_with_...congrecord.htm • Found exclusively on: Yahoo! Search congressional Records and journals page ... as well as debates and roll call votes. Search the Congressional Record; View a specific day, back to the 101st Congress ... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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vSzsgifP Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	Audit The Federal Reserve Reveals 16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts "The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out." Source: Daily Paul I remember the old argument for the FED was to prevent the government from printing too much money which would cause runaway inflation. You couldn't trust Congress with the printing of money as required by the Constitution. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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valiumcheepval Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 551 Senior Member	Ask each candidate how they plan to dismantle the FED which has been secretly raiding the treasury to enrich banksters. See how each answers. If the FED has the power to raid the treasury in secret, how much gold do you think is really in Ft. Knox which even our elected Representatives are barred from seeing? Should there be a public accounting and assay (through the GAO and our Representatives) of the gold reserves in Ft Knox? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Kayakeenemeds Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	Who's naive? I think the events of the last few days have pretty much identified them.. The outright hysterics over an old man they claim stands no chance whatsoever just sorta says it all. Conspiracy theories.. Threats.. Sloppy logic. Constitution shitting. Fiscal recklessness. You name it, they'd said it over Ron Paul and this election. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Fainnamoony Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 513 Senior Member	I see the word "naive" thrown about rather haphazardly. It is troubling, for a number of reasons. You see, we can not win in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or Iran, for that matter. It is not possible. To think otherwise is naive. We're being humbled by insurgents with nothing but the shirt on their backs and a few primitive weapons, while we spend $20 billion a year on air conditioning. While we have supply lines that stretch thousands and thousands of miles and rely on foreign nations like Russia and Pakistan to allow us access. This is literally bankrupting us, and at the same time shows that our military is not so mighty as we would like to believe. In the halls of Congress, we continue to grant increasingly dictatorial powers to the Executive branch. Any student of history will know that the Hitlers and the Julius Caesars have often come to power democratically, but were subsequently granted tyrannical power by those very people who were charged with tempering it. It's usually the same story - the only way we can stay safe and prosperous is to give one man the ultimate power to insure it. Defending the Patriot Act and the NDAA is the height of naïveté. We have a national debt that has surpassed 100% of GDP. And yet we have a Congress that is allowing trillions more in debt to be accrued, while cutting virtually nothing, after running on a platform of balanced budgets and economic sanity. And yet, we have an intransigent Party in control of the House who refuses to make meaningful cuts, and also cannot raise taxes because of naive campaign promises, and some ill-advised oath to Grover Norquist. To think that you can avoid the imminent bankruptcy without cutting, taxing, or a combination thereof, is at least naive. In truth, it is insane. We have a slate of Presidential candidates who have no plan for dealing with this problem. There is only one economic plan out there that balances the budget. One. 's plan, for instance, would increase the debt by $6.5 trillion through 2021, and doesn't anticipate an actual balanced budget until the middle of the century. That's 40 years from now, folks. The Ryan Plan, the best to come out of Congress, is slightly "better", envisioning a balanced budget by 2040. To think that we can continue to kick this can down the road without severe consequences is very naive. We have an economy that has failed to create real and lasting employment for well over a decade. Investment in this nation has been centered in financial ponzi schemes, while real capital investment is neglected. Instead, our large corporations engage in capital investment in foreign emerging markets, creating jobs and increased prosperity in those nations overseas. This is trickle-down economics, but it "trickles down" elsewhere. So although we see an increase in GDP, the wealth is being concentrated in fewer and fewer American hands. We have regulatory burdens that need to be rethought, and we have higher taxes than some places, but to believe that cutting taxes and regulations and limiting union power will result in immediate prosperity for the average American is naive as hell. In order to compete with labor in foreign markets that way, we would have to engage in an all-out race to the bottom. I don't think anyone is interested in living in a nation as poverty-riddled as China, India, or even Mexico. This is our market, and we have the right and the responsibility to make it work for all of us. We have a legal system which has flooded our prisons with non-violent offenders of victimless crimes, while at the same time enriching gangsters both inside and outside our borders. We have turned the southern border and our inner cities into all-out war zones through engaging in this nonsense. And we're not getting anywhere. So now you have a rapist or a sexual predator being released early back into society to make room for some fool who grew the wrong type of plant. To think you are getting anywhere in this war on drugs is just as naive as believing you can defeat the guerrillas in Afghanistan. Cut off one head, and two more grow in it's place, just like the mythical hydra. We have a monetary system which uses inflation to funnel money from the poor to the rich, through outrageous inflationary measures. Since we divorced ourselves completely from hard money, the earnings and the wealth of the masses have become stagnant at best. We are running out of ways to guard our hard-earned wealth. This is chaos. It is economic suicide. And yet the vast majority of our elected leaders do not wish to rock this boat. To think they are looking out for the best interests of the people in this regard is quite naive. We have two parties who continue to campaign and be elected based on issues like abortion and gay marriage, etc, while the roof is crashing down upon us. To believe that right now we need to focus on these issues, and push the really big things to the sidelines, is not only naive, it's just plain stupid. So, you'll have to excuse me, but I take great offense to these claims from half-assed armchair team red Republicans that I am naive. At some point you people will be forced to realize that you've been bamboozled by the same sort of tactics as those on the left. From my perspective, you are simply the flip-side of the same coin. You're arguing over which cliff to fall off. Whichever cliff you choose, to think that the results will be different is quite naive. Ace post, Jes. Even to an outsider. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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