[SingleMan]

Just what is your fucking problem with minding our own business and following the Constitution, exactly?

[Preegovesem]

THAT WILL NOT BE LEFT UP TO RON PAUL.... EVEN IF

HE SHOULD WIN BY A LANDSLIDE.

[QiuCIOdO]

Running around, screaming that if you don't support a military solution to each and every problem that ails us, then you love terrorists and should move to Iran.

You people need to get your minds right.

You sound like a bunch of hysterical liberals.

[SasortFkire]

I DO?

[86GlSqSK]

THAT WILL NOT BE LEFT UP TO RON PAUL.... EVEN IF

HE SHOULD WIN BY A LANDSLIDE.

Frankly, he won't be the nominee.. and (Jeshu's opinion notwithstanding) even if he is, he may not win.

Everyone knows this, but they're shitting themselves ANYWAY because Paul is advancing some very powerful concepts, and they frighten some people.

1) Adhering to the law of the land, our Constitution.. Even when we don't like it, or think it's particularly expedient politically.

2) Minding our own business internationally.. And using the US military as a vehicle to protect the Us and our interests.

For some, as yet unknown, reason.. even discussing these things at the nationa level is TERRIFYING to people who claim to be "Conservatives"

[Qxsumehj]

I DO?

No.. Not you..

[maxtp]

And calling everybody a neo-con, war mongers and against the constitution if the don't support Ron Paul for president is even more idiotic. This is why Paul will never sit in the oval office, because of his supporters ... too many of the lunatic fringe.

[jPNy2BP5]

RON PAUL HAS LONG BEEN A HOT POTATO

TO MOST OF WASHINGTON AND VIRTUALLY

ALL OF THE MEDIA....


GOOD GOSH.... IF THESE PROLES WERE TO GET

TO THINKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT....


ESPECIALLY THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT...

AS A LIMITED INSTITUTION WITH ONLY CERTAIN

DEFINED POWERS... AND ACCOUNTABLE TO THEM


.... WELL, WE JUST CAN'T GO THERE!!!!

[bitymnmictada]

And calling everybody a neo-con, war mongers and against the constitution if the don't support Ron Paul for president is even more idiotic. This is why Paul will never sit in the oval office, because of his supporters ... too many of the lunatic fringe.

The problem is it's absolutely true..

They hate the constitution and they love armed interventionism.

There's evidence of it all over this forum.. Especially over the last two days. Their candidates support this.

Now, why don't you try posting something that's not at odds with the facts?

[stoneeZef]

GOOD GOSH.... IF THESE PROLES GET THINKING

ABOUT GOVERNMENT AS A LIMITED INSTITUTION...

ACCOUNTABLE TO THEM.... WELL, WE JUST CAN'T

GO THERE!!!! I think that's exactly the problem.. Small, limited government that minds its own business is boring.

There's no money in it either... so, naturally.. Can't have that.

[Gastonleruanich]

WE NEED LOTS MORE INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTRY.....


NOT NECESSARILY DEFENSE-RELATED INDUSTRY.

[Biassasecumma]

WASHINGTON SHOULD BE A SLEEPY TOWN.... A PLACE FOR RETIREES TO TOUR...


EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF ALL-OUT (DECLARED) WAR.

[moredasers]

This entire argument seems very simple to me.. It boils down to:

1) Do we support the Constitution and limited government, or don't we?

2) Do we believe in just war and good faith, or don't we?

Because what I see advocated is mutually exclusive.. You can't have both.

You can't have the Constitution and limited government, and the security state.. Or a global empire.

You have to choose... Because the needs and costs of one will take precedence over the other.

[sykanaxer]

Oh that is bullshit and you know it. EVERYBODY who doesn't support Ron Paul for president doesn't hate the Constitution and loves armed intervention with wild abandonment ... Yee HAW shoot 'em and kill 'em all! There is also evidence of the lunatic fringe Paulians right here on this forum. There are extremest on both sides.

[SawbasyWrab]

WASHINGTON SHOULD BE A SLEEPY TOWN.... A PLACE FOR RETIREES TO TOUR...


EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF ALL-OUT (DECLARED) WAR.

And it would be.. But there's no money in that.

[FuXA8nQM]

WHO SAID EVERYBODY?

[Lillie_Steins]

Oh that is bullshit and you know it. EVERYBODY who doesn't support Ron Paul for president doesn't hate the Constitution and loves armed intervention with wild abandonment ... Yee HAW shoot 'em kill 'em all! There is also evidence of the lunatic fringe Paulians right here on this forum also. There are extremest on both sides.

lol.. Well, that's just not true.

Witness the debate on military detention of American citizens accused (but not convicted) of "terrorism" or "Belligerent acts"

Toney was arguing against the Constitution itself yesterday.

Go blow smoke up someone else's ass, slap happy.. I'm busy.

[cheapphenonline]

I SUSPECT THAT CHINA HAS FAR, FAR MORE GENERAL MANUFACTURING...




HEAVY AND LIGHT......


THAN SPECIFICALLY DEFENSE-DEPENDENT MANUFACTURING.




I'D EXPECT TO FIND THAT A LOT OF OUR REMAINING MANUFUACTRING


IS DEFENSE-DEPENDENT OR OTHERWISE SUBSIDIZED, DIRECTLY

OR OTHERWISE.

[KraskiNetu]

The thing is, you were wrong in the argument also. There is nothing about torture in the Constitution. And even though there is a law against torture, water bordering has never legally been defined as torture. Right or wrong, it hasn't.

Yeah, I see how busy you are. Making little doodads with hearts floating out of them to show your man love to the world for Paul. At least be somewhat of a conservative and keep your boner in the closet, and drop the heartsy fartsy thingie.

[Deengealf]

The thing is, you were wrong in the argument also. There is nothing about torture in the Constitution. And even though there is a law against torture, water bordering has never legally been defined as torture. Right or wrong, it hasn't.

Yeah, I see how busy you are. Making little doodads with hearts floating out of them to show your man love to the world for Paul. At least be somewhat of a conservative and keep your boner in the closet, and drop the heartsy fartsy thingie.

See the 8th amendment..

And stop wasting my time with nonsense.