[dolaBeetCeage]

You cannot legislate morality. I mostly agree with Mossfern here.

Then you should re-consider.. Because Mossfern wants to legislate morality too.

It's immoral for people to do without X.. Or Y.. Or Z.. and the government should be there to provide these things.

Because it's immoral if they do not.

[replicaypu]

Then you should re-consider.. Because Mossfern wants to legislate morality too.

It's immoral for people to do without X.. Or Y.. Or Z.. and the government should be there to provide these things.

Because it's immoral if they do not.

Well, I don't agree with that either. That is why I said mostly agrees with, not entirely agrees with Mossfern.

[Frannypaync]

For example.

How is it moral to make record profits, lay off people, ship jobs overseas ?
Depending on your situation, it could be moral or not moral; it just is in a free market system.

Fiscal policy could correct lay offs and shipping jobs overseas. No moral policy will correct it.

[Unlinozistimi]

Leftists act like they're at the mercy of the OMG!!! JESUS FREAKS AND THEIR DAMNED MORALITY!!!!

But, the truth is, they are the ultimate in legislating morals.

Everything from the demon toys in Kids Meals to the myriad evils of salt..

It's a hollow argument.. They're proven their stripes.

I'll take the Tenth Amendment and States and Localities over their one size fits all, moral diktats from Fedgov any day.

[tooratrack]

So, which moral paradigm is acceptable by you ? You really want the government to enforce said paradigm, that's the only way it will work and it will fail. You cannot legislate morality. I mostly agree with Mossfern here.

How you expect a booming economy with superfluous government legislation. It doesn't work, the social cons tried it, continue to try it, and it fails each time.

I'm not sure if you can legislate morality, but you can legislate immorality.

When you make laws that steal property from citizens and redistribute it, when you have laws that take away a person's freedom of association, when they are forced to hire or sell or rent to people they'd otherwise not associate with, when you pass unconstitutional laws at the federal level that limit the power of the states and localities to govern themselves according to their own best interests, you are essentially legislating immorality.

For instance, the word discrimination today has a negative connotation. Why? Discrimination is a good thing. When you go to make a purchase, do you not discriminate based on quality, price, reliability, etc?

[Pelefaifs]

For example.

How is it moral to make record profits, lay off people, ship jobs overseas ?
Depending on your situation, it could be moral or no moral; it just is in a free market system.

Whose morality are we using ?

I don't see it as a moral issue.. While the capital and products are privately owned, this market is ours collectively.

It's our property, and we (ostensibly) control it via our "representatives" in clowngress..

Er, Congress.. rather.

[ZIDouglas]

I don't see it as a moral issue.. While the capital and products are privately owned, this market is ours collectively.

It's our property, and we (ostensibly) control it via our "representatives" in clowngress..

Er, Congress.. rather.

I agree, but where are you putting morals into fiscal policy, I guess is what I am trying to get at. Let's say, how is abortion related to fiscal policy ? Or pick another social issue (except AGW, that has many fiscal issues tied into it).

[hhynmtrxcp]

I agree, but where are you putting morals into fiscal policy, I guess is what I am trying to get at. Let's say, how is abortion related to fiscal policy ? Or pick another social issue (except AGW, that has many fiscal issues tied into it).

If you have no morals, no scruples, no ethics, how on Earth do you expect to have good fiscal policy?

[KLhdfskja]

I agree, but where are you putting morals into fiscal policy, I guess is what I am trying to get at. Let's say, how is abortion related to fiscal policy ? Or pick another social issue (except AGW, that has many fiscal issues tied into it).

Who's "putting morals" into fiscal policy?

I want the Constitution obeyed.

THEY are the ones "putting morals" into fiscal policy with all their phony "rights" we're supposed to fund (Like abortion) the re-distribution schemes, free shit and everything else.

[phinno13]

Leftists act like they're at the mercy of the OMG!!! JESUS FREAKS AND THEIR DAMNED MORALITY!!!!

But, the truth is, they are the ultimate in legislating morals.

Everything from the demon toys in Kids Meals to the myriad evils of salt..

It's a hollow argument.. They're proven their stripes.

I'll take the Tenth Amendment and States and Localities over their one size fits all, moral diktats from Fedgov any day.

Yes, I agree. I can't stand that shit either. They are trying to legislate what I can and cannot do with my body.

OMG trans fat (which the modern libs endorsed because militant vegetarians didn't want saturated fats) is going to kill us. STFU, bring back the saturated fats then, they are the precursor to many hormones, like testosterone.

[__CVineXPharm__]

As Hoffa stated, it is the left who wants to mandate morality and behavior at the national level. They're no good, and therefore can't imagine that any of the little people out there could possibly be good.

Conservatives operate in the inverse, for the most part...

[Daleman1984]

Yes, I agree. I can't stand that shit either. They are trying to legislate what I can and cannot do with my body.

OMG trans fat (which the modern libs endorsed because militant vegetarians didn't want saturated fats) is going to kill us. STFU, bring back the saturated fats then, they are the precursor to many hormones, like testosterone.

Well, they surely don't want testosterone, either..

(no offense)

[mpxricyNimb]

Yes, I agree. I can't stand that shit either. They are trying to legislate what I can and cannot do with my body.

OMG trans fat (which the modern libs endorsed because militant vegetarians didn't want saturated fats) is going to kill us. STFU, bring back the saturated fats then, they are the precursor to many hormones, like testosterone.

Exactly.. THEN they want to run and accuse the right of "OMG!!! FORCING YOUR MORALITY ON MEEEEEEEEEEE!"

And they want to do it while slapping a french fry out of your hand..

I have a problem with that.

[intorkercet]

Who's "putting morals" into fiscal policy?

I want the Constitution obeyed.

THEY are the ones "putting morals" into fiscal policy with all their phony "rights" we're supposed to fund (Like abortion) the re-distribution schemes, free shit and everything else.

I thought you said that they were closely related.

Yes, the constitution being brought back would be nice. The Left and the Right need to mind their own business and quite poking their nose into everyones lives. We got Lefties trying to tell me what I can drive, what to eat, etc. and the Righties trying to tell me I need a God in my life, prayer in schools, etc.

[bubborn]

Exactly.. THEN they want to run and accuse the right of "OMG!!! FORCING YOUR MORALITY ON MEEEEEEEEEEE!"

And they want to do it while slapping a french fry out of your hand..

It's bullshit. They far right and the far left have many things in common.

[bonyrek]

I thought you said that they were closely related.

Yes, the constitution being brought back would be nice. The Left and the Right need to mind their own business and quite poking their nose into everyones lives. We got Lefties trying to tell me what I can drive, what to eat, etc. and the Righties trying to tell me I need a God in my life, prayer in schools, etc.

There is a difference between ALLOWING prayer in schools, and mandating it.

All the difference in the world...

[HQTheodore]

Well, they surely don't want testosterone, either..

(no offense)

lol. None taken and I actually thought of that. I need my testosterone, I lift weights as many of my..."people" ?

[Misebeita]

As Hoffa stated, it is the left who wants to mandate morality and behavior at the national level. They're no good, and therefore can't imagine that any of the little people out there could possibly be good.

Conservatives operate in the inverse, for the most part...

I agree the Left is just as bad, but not all Cons operate in the inverse, which is part of the reason for the monstrosity of the GOP.

I am just glad I could find SOMETHING I could somewhat disagree with you on. lol.

[Bromikka]

Typical OWS commietard = I ran up my credit card, bought a house I couldn't afford, went to college and stayed drunk for 4 years and took a 2nd mortgage so I could buy a Mercedes. Well fuck, I invested all of that money I didn't have into this economy so now it's time for all those rich people I gave that money to to give some back! I made all of you rich through irresponsible consumerism so now you owe me!

[electmobile]

None taken. I do, I lift weights as many of my..."people" ?

Just fuckin' with ya

Now, back to serious stuff!