[Worseacar]

It fails the basic workings of capitalism and how they max out profits.

The under cut labor

they cheat suppliers payables out to 120 days, 180 days...

the cheat customers making them pay more for less

and they cheat paying taxes, oh they will collect the taxes for their service or good, but 2/3 of fortune 500 companies paid zero tax, and Exxon got over a billion form the tax payer even when they made 40 billion profit.

capitalism is all about getting others to pay your cost to max out your profits. it is a cheaters game. It sucks ass and it is going to die.

That's all irrelevant, because while they're trying to maximise profit, profit is still the objective.

And competition is still the lifeblood.

[averkif]

This is a comment from the "Gentry Liberal" thread I posted earlier..

http://downloadpolitics.com/showthre...try-Presidency




Thoughtful replies only please..

Capitalism only works when it's pure, i. e. Libertarianism.

So, for example, when an oil company CEO pollutes your shores, you should have the freedom to purchase the weapons needed to shoot him and his bodyguards,

instead of forcing taxpayers to pay for his recklessness, rightard-style. . .

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...payers-cleanup

[retrahdggd]

And competition is still the lifeblood.

Are you joking me?

Ask Hoffa if competition to his hydraulics business is lifeblood to him.

[mymnarorump]

Example is easy to see. Look at the FDA, and the farm subsidies we give to ADM and others to produce the closet thing legally to rat poison High fructose corn syrup to feed us.

they will not do this if we dd not give them the billions t cover their cost.

No big company will do shit unless they get tax breaks, or money form the government, to pay all their cost so they have the sole right still profits from the working people.

food stamps is just a give away to big food companies.

Section 8 housing is a give away to landlords.

Pell grants are a give away to academia.

Our whole capitalist system is 100% unworkable unless the tax payer gives money to capitalist lazy fucktard evil jew vampires.

[Creva4k]

Are you joking me?

Ask Hoffa if competition to his hydraulics business is lifeblood to him.

J_X's business doesn't represent the sum totality of international capitalism.

Are you high?

[lovespellszz]

CAPITALISM IS LIBERTY AND OWNERSHIP.

IN A FREE AND LAWFUL SOCIETY, ANYONE CAN PLAY.


WHEREVER THESE CONDITIONS OBTAIN, MOST

ORDINARY PEOPLE DO REASONABLY WELL.


A FEW FAIL UTTERLY.... USUALLY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

SOME SUCCEED DRAMATICALLY.... AGAIN,

USUALLY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

[AccusaJalsBub]

Then look at how capitalist cheat the labor market and grind wages down.

they import millions of wage slaves illegals and force the government not to even enforce our own laws and protect us form this massive invasion.

then they export all our best paying jobs.

they hiring PR firms to brainwash stupid fucks to call them jobs brainless manufacturing jobs, and people wonder why they are so poor working 60-80 hours a week.

You are as stupid as a nigger because they educate you at nigger levels in our schools now... niggers can not learn or keep up with humans.

you fuckign morons are ass raped daily and you fight and defend the evil jew capitalist pigs fuckign your ass.

[searkibia]

J_X's business doesn't represent the sum totality of international capitalism.

Are you high?

No.
Are you?
Competition is only lifeblood to consumers.
America is a closing society, you must realize this. In order to start a corporation you have to have connections and the ability to call in favors and pull the strings of important people.
If Walmart was the only department store in the United States... there's nothing 'lifeblood' about that.

Starting even a small business is hell in this economy, and to expect it to thrive... forget about it.

[stutnerman]

CAPITALISM IS LIBERTY AND OWNERSHIP.

IN A FREE AND LAWFUL SOCIETY, ANYONE CAN PLAY.


WHEREVER THESE CONDITIONS OBTAIN, MOST

ORDINARY PEOPLE DO REASONABLY WELL.


A FEW FAIL UTTERLY.... USUALLY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

SOME SUCCEED DRAMATICALLY.... AGAIN,

USUALLY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

this is a bullshit lie. This is the lie they sell you.

Psywar - The real battlefield is your mind (1/8)





this movie shows how the rich hire PR to spin their lies to keep you under control.

[benderkoz]

CAPITALISM HAS MORE TO DO WITH CREATING WEALTH

THAN SIMPLY COLLECTING IT.

THE ENTREPENEUR CREATES OR ADDS VALUE IN ORDER TO ATTRACT CUSTOM.

THE INVESTOR STRIVES TO INCREASE HIS CAPITAL

BY PUTTING IT TO WORK IN MYRIAD WAYS... ULTIMATELY TO ATTRACT CUSTOM.





SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM IS ALL ABOUT

COLLECTING AND CONTROLLING WEALTH.... BY FORCE.

[spamkillerf]

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL ON THIS WEBSITE, MAGOG.

BAR NONE.

[hacyOrgachbic]

LIBERTY, OWNERSHIP, AND COMMERCE........

VERSUS


EXPROPRIATION, DEPENDENCY, AND POPULAR POVERTY.



I'LL TAKE THE FORMER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[interznakinfo]

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL ON THIS WEBSITE, MAGOG.

BAR NONE.

I'm just glad I have enough $$ to buy and eat goat

[gedsiz]

No.
Are you?
Competition is only lifeblood to consumers.
America is a closing society, you must realize this. In order to start a corporation you have to have connections and the ability to call in favors and pull the strings of important people.
If Walmart was the only department store in the United States... there's nothing 'lifeblood' about that.

Starting even a small business is hell in this economy, and to expect it to thrive... forget about it.

And why not? Because they can't compete. No one's saying capitalism has a heart.

And the lifeblood of consumers correlates directly, so that's moot. They represent one half of the equation.

I can't work out if you're trying to make my case for me, or you're jerking off to gay porn and not really concentrating.

[Gulauur]

JHoffa calls me a troll for saying what I believe and believing what I say.

The Tribes had the best economy in the history of humanity.
It's a form of government where everything is fair and all are equal.
Much like Anarchy.

[maks_holi]

I more than expect to be told to fuck off back to Russia.

I agreed with your post...but that is most likely because I am starting to favor National Socialism.
If you look at the NSM's 25 points it really does make sense.

I know...I'll get the hell flamed out of me for that one.

[WGfg4CCZ]

Ok. First and foremost, I don't believe modern capitalism is the same thing as the laissez-faire capitalism that I tend to support. I believe our modern economic system in the USA has some decidedly fascist elements to it.

Capitalism is simply a system where people have protected property rights. That's really the crux of it. You own yourself, you own your labor, and you own the product of your labor (unless you have previously sold your labor for wages, in which case you have willingly forfeited ownership of the product in exchange for a relatively risk-free income).

Globalization should be a benefit to everyone. You are increasing the division of labor, of specialty. Also, genius seems to have a relatively static occurrence across populations, so including more people in the market will include more geniuses in the market, which will lead to better and more innovation. The main argument against globalization is the difference in wages across national boundaries. My argument is that a gold standard (or something equivalent) would negate much of those discrepancies. I don't believe that prices, when measured against a rock-solid standard, are that terribly different.

Monopolies are no problem at all, in my mind, because we've not really ever seen it happen in the free market. As long as there is no coercion or other government meddling involved, monopolies don't seem to be very capable of existing. And even if a monopoly did exist, it would mean that someone had found a way to provide the most and best goods and services at the lowest prices. Which is a win for everybody. Without government intervention, the consumers of any product or service can literally put a monopoly out of business overnight.

In a truly free market, the massive accumulations of capital seen at the top of the pyramid are not a problem, per se, because that wealth is created out of thin air. It is not taken from others. The pie becomes larger, and everyone's piece of pie becomes larger. It creates an increase in inequality of assets, but so what? If the best and possibly only way for everyone to become wealthier is to allow a few to become outrageously wealthy, well, that's a price everyone should be willing to pay. Because it's no price at all!

Everyone in this world is better off because of John D. Rockefeller. Love him or hate him, you are better off because of him!

So this where I object to your statement that capitalism leads to accumulation rather than dispersal, Wrath. It does neither! It leads to growth!

In 1901, the average American household spent 79.8% of it's income on food, clothing, and housing. By the mid 1980's we had lowered that number to right around 50%, where it has held steady ever since. It should be continuing to drop. But, alas, there is no free market here in which it can drop. Food and housing, particularly, are regulated to the gills, as well as price inflated due to government subsidies and mandates which create "false demand".

Some say capitalism is survival of the fittest. And while that may be true at the commercial level, at the individual, personal level, it is the ultimate form of cooperation. it is a system where human beings are able to specialize and trade their products for other products that they'd like to own. It is a situation where you and I trade so that we both come out ahead.

It is the quintessential "win-win" situation.

[Aleksis]

Also, there's the problem of monopolisation.

Even globalisation won't avoid it. It can only be delayed.

We'll see more instances of such as Microsoft being broken up, as capitalism proceeds. Then we'll be stuck with a shitload of competing interests with nowhere to go, and the system will crash forever.

How will competing interests leave us with nowhere to go? Perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean by "competing interests", but are you talking about competition in the market as companies like Microsoft lose their monopoly status? Yes, they give way to oligopoly status as a couple of other big companies take market share, giving only a few choices, but eventually something else comes along and changes the paradigm and it starts all over. We've got a long way to go before the global market becomes as crowded/stiff as the American market.

[GuitarLoverBe]

JHoffa calls me a troll for saying what I believe and believing what I say.

The Tribes had the best economy in the history of humanity.
It's a form of government where everything is fair and all are equal.
Much like Anarchy.

Capitalism allows for tribes. Why don't you have a tribe?

[Apparpsmose]

I agreed with your post...but that is most likely because I am starting to favor National Socialism.
If you look at the NSM's 25 points it really does make sense.

I know...I'll get the hell flamed out of me for that one.

lol

It doesn't matter. We're not fighting for our lives here.

My own understanding comes from a limited awareness of historical example, and a scant knowledge of politics. And the first time someone throws a graph at me with all the curves and intersecting lines, I'm pretty much dead in the water anyway. I'm no economics buff.